The people who made it clearly loved Star Wars. They didn't only love the movies. They loved the universe. Andor is an exploration of what turns someone into a rebel. Most of Star Wars just ignores why the average person does something so they can have jedi superheros. Honestly, it's boring and overdone.

If you liked the sequels, then you're watching Star Wars for the action and not the story and the world, because they couldn't keep that straight. That's fine. You get to enjoy what you enjoy. There's plenty of Star Wars for you. There's not much like Andor, and I appreciate it all the more for it. Andor is the best Star Wars ever made for people who care about the world of Star Wars, not just the entertainment factor.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

No the story of the sequels is fine, the only contradiction is that Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker tonally feel like they belong in different trilogies and it's a weird whiplash... but it's a pretty consistently Star Wars level of stupid (I mean except for that dagger, that was just stupid)

And this is another reason I hate Andor, the fanbase. Tired of having people say "Oh it's okay, you're clearly too dumb to understand Andor. Obviously the show is perfect and you're just an idiot, maybe stick with something more your speed like Spongebob eh champ?", and talk down to me because I don't like everyone's favorite show. I have never been so insulted in all my life quite like the "Oh, you're just intellectually impaired." I keep getting from Andor fans when they realize I dislike the show, and as a transgender woman living in America, that is saying something.

Like, I can and have watched "smart shows" and "slow burns" before and enjoyed them. I just specifically don't like Andor.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The story of the sequels is absolutely not fine. It's a mess. Off the top of my head, where did The Resistance's ships go after ep 7? They suddenly have just a handful of ships for 8. Where did The First Order come from and why is The Resistance still only a resistance if they won after ep 7? Shouldn't they at least be a major power? Don't they have a large government set up that should be spanning many star systems? How did The First Order kill it will one shot of the new Death Star (blanking on the name, but you know what I mean). Why is it said that Ray's parents are nobody, then it turns out that Palpatine is her father? There's so many issues. I could go on...

I'm not saying you're too dumb to understand anything. I fully suspect you're capable of understanding Andor and seeing the problems with the sequels. You're creating a strawman that I didn't say. I suspect that you're just not interested in this though.

That's fine, but that's not an objective statement, it's an opinion. It's not an opinion that the sequels are poorly written, as I pointed out objective issues with them earlier. It is an opinion whether I'm fine with that or not or if I like Andor or not. It's not a bad show just because someone doesn't like it. That's expected. It's well written though.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Literally most of that can also be applied to Episode IV.. For that which cannot

Starkiller base didn't just blow up one planet, it blew up SEVERAL planets with SEVERAL figureheads... Asking why the Rebel Alliance's Government doesn't exist anymore is like asking why the American Government is limited to just the Enclave in Fallout. BIG FUCKING NUKE!

as for Sidious being her dad, blame the fanboys who REALLY wanted her to be Luke's kid that complained about the "nobody" reveal in Last Jedi

The sequels aren't perfect, but the haters shat on the prequels too... Heck Star Wars fans hate Star Wars movies so much that the only film that's safe to "like" in a group of Star Wars fans in A New Hope, and even then it better not be any of the Special Editions.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Literally most of that can also be applied to Episode IV.. For that which cannot

No, it really can't. There are a handful of continuity errors, but not many. There are also very few created within the other two trilogies. The sequels have so many contradictions between each movie, sometimes within the same movie even. It was rushed with two directors competing against each other. Not something written by one director over time.

Starkiller base didn't just blow up one planet, it blew up SEVERAL planets with SEVERAL figureheads... Asking why the Rebel Alliance's Government doesn't exist anymore is like asking why the American Government is limited to just the Enclave in Fallout. BIG FUCKING NUKE!

It blew up several planets in one star system. You have to keep in mind we're talking about galactic powers here. It's like blowing up Washington DC and then the entire US doesn't exist anymore. To use your Fallout example, there are many power who claim inheritance to America, and that's after an entire nuclear war wiping out all civilization and hundreds of years later. There should still be many star systems under their control, with hundreds of planets, billions or trillions (or more) citizens, and several fleets of ships patrolling around. However, there's literally one fleet left. How? Even if every planet was destroyed there should still be many fleets that were out and about.

as for Sidious being her dad, blame the fanboys who REALLY wanted her to be Luke's kid that complained about the "nobody" reveal in Last Jedi

I can only blame the writers, directors, and Disney. It's their choice to ruin the project because fans asked for something. That's how we got ep 7 basically. It's just the same thing we've already watched again because they wanted boring generic action and couldn't make something new and creative. The new bits suck, for the reasons I've stated and many more.

The sequels aren't perfect, but the haters shat on the prequels too... Heck Star Wars fans hate Star Wars movies so much that the only film that's safe to "like" in a group of Star Wars fans in A New Hope, and even then it better not be any of the Special Editions.

They did hate on the prequels. That's true. It wasn't for poor writing or world building though. It was for subjective reasons, like Jar-Jar being annoying (OK, maybe this one is so bad to be objective), or the opening trade negotiations scene being boring.

As for fans hating every movie, yeah. That's what you get when you have a large audience. You get a diversity of opinion. Some people care about how good the writing is, some the world-building, some how well told the story is, some the action, etc. None of the opinions are wrong. There's stuff to like and hate in every movie.

The sequels are objectively poorly written though. There's so many holes and also a ton of things that just don't make sense if you consider them for a minute. (The sith knife Rey finds with the Death Star map would require standing in a specific spot, and she just happens to end up there? No one thought about that for more than five seconds when writing it.) You can still enjoy them. There are large objective reasons why many hate them though. Before the Star Wars universe felt consistent. After it does not. There was always The Force to explain away minor things, but the sequels have mechanical issues that it can't fill.

Edit: This was far too long...