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[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Really think it was the the leader not offering enough.

[–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I genuinely think it can be both. Voters were too short-sighted to see their self-interest and Dem leaders didn't convince them

[–] Neon@lemmy.world -5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That is your Opinion, and you're entitled to that.

But all of those that decided not to vote could have stopped the rise of fascism and chose not to.

I don't blame that on the opposition. I blame that on those accepting its rise and refusing to stop it.

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You don't blame the fascism on the literal fascists?

Interesting

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can blame the fascism on the literal fascists. They're backed by the neo-monarchists who have tons of money to spend (and spent it!) converting discontents into more fascists.

Do you want to blame the discontents without a reasonable option who saw their news agencies and social media pointing towards the new Mussolini? There's millions of them, and they can barely reason to tie their own shoes. The GOP has been banking on them since the 1970s, though the propaganda projects started when great depression living conditions weren't sweet enough for the proletariat, and FDR created the New Deal to stop communist revolution.

It's why in the states communism is a word of disparagement when the alternative is monarchism, and capitalism always drifts towards autocracy, then monarchism, and then collapse.

Blame who you want, but ultimately it is a machine running on natural forces. Even in the end of this campaign (when -- in retrospect -- it was already too late) the media was trying to inform some people (who?) that the comparisons between the Trump campaign and policies, and Hitler's campaign and policies were very similar, enough to call both one-party autocracy propped up by fascist enemy-within rhetoric.

Nothing to do now but watch everyone get what they bought and paid for.

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you missed that they know that they're Nazis and are proud of it.

Don't blame people for wanting to hide from the nazis

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's nothing wrong with hiding from Nazis.

But I think the election shows us the human species can't help itself but become hateful when confronted with perpetual precarity or perpetual scarcity. If we want a rational society it won't be monarchist or capitalist. If we want to distribute power, we won't get those who have excess power to give it up willingly.

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's only the supposition that people know Harris would be better than Trump. There's a lot of lies around the economy and who's better for it.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

One-party autocracy is, historically, always worse for the economy than ~~democracy~~ even an oligarchy with meager democratic features.

And the Republican Party and the Heritage Foundation both tipped their hand early regarding policy.

Whether it comes down to the public of the US being ignorant, short-sighted, too racist to care or too misled, it speaks poorly not only of the US people and the human species and its capacity to organize without being overrun by corruption.

We may just be too daft to do better, and that is likely to kill is.