We'll have peace when russia has been destroyed and split into multiple smaller democratic nations, like Germany back in the day. This has proven to be very effective.

The friendly way has been tried and it failed, as there is war right now. Remember, Ukraine was friends with russia. They gave their nukes and got guarantees to not be attacked. russia decided to backstab them. russia can never again be trusted. The only chance for peace for countries near russia must be enforced by constant threat of russias destruction. russians, who support the invasions by a large majority, must live at the mercy of their neighbours, who must be ready to wipe them out any moment.

[–] ormr@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

If you think Russia can never be trusted you'd have to say the same about the other countries failing their security obligations. Those who guaranteed Ukraines territorial integrity, the US, the UK, didn't act and send their own troops to stop the invasion.

IMO the friendly way hasn't been tried as NATO also didn't care about how Russia feels about this and that. The story is well known. There's not a single country or single person to blame but many of the involved actors.

To me it's lunacy to think Russia will be defeated and split up. Who's going to defeat them? With which soldiers? Europe is an old continent, there are so few young people... It would be the final demise of the European economy having to fight a war with Russia. And do you consider the risks? Russia has nukes. Before anything even remotely to the scenario of being split up happens, it will have used them. No sane person can ignore this threat.