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Artix for desktop, Alpine for servers.
Now you made me look up Artix. Which is 81 in the top 100 in Distrowatch. Oh, it's a fork of Manjaro/Arch. I liked Manjaro on my ARM Laptop. Most software I use is easier to install from .deb or .rpm though so I tend to stick to Debian-based. https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20210308#artix
Artix is a fork of Arch that uses different initialization systems such as Open-RC instead of SystemD. Artix exists because people believe that SystemD is bloated, which it arguably is. And that SystemD doesn't respect the Unix philosophy.
Yeah, I grew up with SystemV init in AT&T System V in the 80s and variants. The needed to learn systemd which I now understand.
What are the consequences of systemD being bloated ?
Increased memory usage, increased CPU usage, it might get in the way if you're trying to set something up too. General consequences of 'bloat'.
The only benefit you'll really notice with other systems is much faster boot time, the memory is only like 30MB maybe.
Do you mean the increased memory/CPU usage is for the entire session ?
The memory usage is as Systemd has lots of daemons and services running the background. The CPU usage uplift is mainly during boot, as Systemd is sorting itself out.
I see ! Is this a concrete issue, as in does your system stall easily ? or is it more ideological ? Sometimes it's difficult to make sense of that as a layman
It's really a non-issue, on modern CPUs (Multiple cores, 3+GHz) with modern amounts of memory (8 - 32+GB) it's barely noticeable. I've never heard of Systemd causing the computer to stall and most users will never even be aware of the relatively high memory consumption.
The biggest flaw with Systemd is violating the Unix philosphy, Systemd does multiple things for example. The only people who are going to actively hunt down things like Artix probably have used / use Gentoo or Arch (I use Arch btw) and running a very minimal install. I'd be flabbergasted if any mainstream distro like Ubuntu replaces Systemd (Knowing Cannonical it'll be a Snap-packaged init system lol).
Thanks for clarifying
No problem :)