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Techradar Just Shouted Out Beehaw! (cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/628792 )
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This is good news, I'm just sad they defederated with so many instances.
They do want to refederate when we get some better moderation tools. It would be cool if we had a list of the tools they need the most in order to refederate as I’m sure some in the community would be more motivated to make those tools if they new the priorities.
It certainly comes at an unfortunate time, but I can't fault them for wanting to build a community around their own ideology. They were left with few other options since the existing moderation tools won't yet facilitate the enforcement of such rules. It will come eventually.
I mean, when some of those sites they defederated from are going around proudly announcing they'd rather ban people asking that they defederate from the Nazi instance than the Nazi instance itself, it really drives home how much it was the right decision. We absolutely, under no circumstances, should let this space become just another Nazi bar.
I just checked, and Beehaw has defederated with 388 instances. Either the fediverse is overrun with nazis, or you're making a massive generalization and Beehaw is being ridiculous.
388 instances is not a number that indicates “overrun.” Anyone can make an instance.
I'm confused on how this works... I'm on lemmy.world, and they list that as a blocked instance on that page... But I can still access beehaw communities no problem from here.
The way federation works is by federated instances making copies of those communities, and syncing them when there are any changes, like when somebody posts a comment.
Defederation disables sync, but the ghost copies still exist on l.w. You can still comment and everything, it just wouln't be synced to the main community on beehaw -- they won't see your comments, and you won't see comments posted there that are made after defederation happened.
You do know that whole "Lemmy was created by Nazis" thing was just a story made up by one guy, right? I mean sure, Nazis exist but what they're done is effectively ban the entire world because Nazis exist in the world.
What's this, now? Lemmy is infamously made by communists.
The instances that have been defederated deserved it.
"Moderate your users or get shut off" is not a new concept. Email server admins do it all the time when they blacklist other email servers for enabling spam and scams.
It's on those instances to start acting like good community members again, at which point other instances will open back up to them.
Part of the problem is that we just don't have good moderating tools yet. Getting shut off due to lack of moderation is probably a good incentive to help develop such tools and start using them.
If not, then that reinforces defederation as having been justified.
Or it will just kill Beehaw because they're now cut off from most of the other larger lemmy instances. Unless their users are just super loyal for some reason. If I were a member there I would have already jumped ship.