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Western-made armor is failing in Ukraine because it wasn't designed to sustain a conflict of this intensity, a military analyst told The Wall Street Journal.

Taras Chmut, a military analyst who's the head of the Come Back Alive Foundation, which has raised money to purchase and provide arms and equipment to Ukraine, said that "a lot of Western armor doesn't work here because it had been created not for an all-out war but for conflicts of low or medium intensity."

"If you throw it into a mass offensive, it just doesn't perform," he said.

Chmut went on to say Ukraine's Western allies should instead turn their attention to delivering simpler and cheaper systems, but in larger quantities, something Ukraine has repeatedly requested, the newspaper reported.

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[–] neptune@dmv.social 96 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They are talking specifically about tanks in the article. The armor on the tanks provided to Ukraine is allegedly not thought enough for mines, etc.

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 year ago

There isn't enough armour in the world to stop a few proper anti-tank mines or anti-tank missiles or anti-tank drones.

[–] flying_monkies@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, that's what I wasn't following. MBTs are going to need repairs, no matter how heavily armored, when you run them over a minefield, hit them with anti tank missles or drones. APVs aren't designed to survive that, just to keep the occupants alive from something that would have turned them into a thick red mist.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Uh have they tried using anti mine systems to clear a path? I'm pretty sure western military doesn't just go charging forward crossing their fingers...

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

For known minefields yes. For a regular road that might have one or two mines, no. Mine clearing is extremely slow. Even if you do it, someone might come in the night and plant more mines. The best you can do is keep an eye out for signs that mines have been planted.

[–] kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The Russians made the defensive mine fields more than double the width of any mine clearing explosive device. This means they can't quickly clear a section and move through without being sitting ducks.