Nic McConnell @NicMcC83:
this is the most devastating review of anything i've ever seen
Scary Whitta @garywhitta· 1d:
Imagine if your printer was also your car. That's what owning a Tesla is like.
this post was submitted on 18 Oct 2023
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Admittedly a scathing burn, but in my experience not at all the same. I have had so many printers with connection issues, overpriced ink that dries up, and constant mechanical jams that I’ve sworn off ever owning a printer again and made my department paperless. But all I had to do for my Tesla is connect it to wifi, and every few weeks a no-hassle software update delivers some useful new features. I’ve never met a printer that improved with time.
Agreed it's nothing like owning a printer. You don't need to pay for the premium connectivity you can just use Bluetooth on your phone like any OTHER car. Full self driving subscription? Optional. Or you could buy the full thing out right.
Now here is where it gets like a printer. If you can't afford the monthly payment so you lease endlessly and never own the car. Tesla makes leaving very easy and tries very hard to incentive you to renew your lease. BUT again this is the same with any other car. Just don't lease.
Does Tesla still do the thing where every car is outfitted with all the cameras/sensors, and if you DONT buy the self driving when you purchase it, they are disabled and can never be enabled again after the fact?
Meaning they spend all the money putting these cameras/sensors in the car, but completely make them useless if you don't drop the cash on purchase day? and if you resell it, there's no option for the new owner to enable them?
2023 Model3 owner here. I am pretty sure you got lied to. I did not and will not buy the self driving feature, nor will I rent it. The car works just fine with all the cameras regardless. As far as I know, if I change my mind I can buy or rent FSD. I'm sure Elon still wants my money - I just don't want my car to drive itself yet and it's a huge expense. The cameras still work for traffic, sentry mode, etc.
I don't understand the Tesla hate. I think people have read bad headlines and assumed they were true. I've had mine for 2.5 years and still haven't even had to do more than put in washer fluid and charge at home. I would hate having to go back to oil changes and gas stations.
I hate Teslas because the owner is the company is a Nazi. I also think having a giant phone in the middle of the car is a bad idea, but it's mostly the Nazi thing.
If you hate a company because if the owner, wait til you look up the owners/leaders/shareholders of most companies
I don’t think it’s fair to outweigh the contributions of the founders and engineers behind Tesla with one douche with a megaphone and too much money. There is undoubtedly just as much malice in other car companies, but they have the sense to keep it quiet.
The money spent to buy Teslas will go to the workers at a fair rate when the workers unionise. Until then, you're pretty much just paying Musk. You're not paying the workers.
IDK about the nazi thing. For me it's a combination of the fact that the car is handled like a piece subscription software by the company, the blatant disregard for local laws, and the general smugness of the the licensees, who'll call themselves owners, but that is only until Musk decides otherwise.
There are other great EVs on the market, and they don't come with subscription packages and proprietary chargers. Tesla is the MacBook of cars.
Mostly fair comment, but the Tesla charging connection is vastly superior. It will become standard I believe. Ford is adopting it and others are heading that way.
Teslas can use BOTH sets of chargers, but without a lot of hacking the reverse isn't true.
I'm glad Hyundai Kia are reasonable competition. It's sad other makers aren't.
How about the shit quality control (another ref) for starters, not to mention the broken promises (approaching false advertisement at this point). Oh and don't forget the battery fires (oh, but don't worry!! Phony Stark told us that only 0.01% of teslas have ever caught fire. Only 200+ times using goodcarbadcar, phew!!! )
Your singular anecdote about having no issues is certainly indicative of the actual situation, yep must just be bad headlines
Yep my uncle who recently retired from the auto industry, as an engineer, dished out some truly scathing critiques of Tesla, both the products and the company. They have a long, long way to go, and unfortunately one giant ego to interfere with everything. Kind of a joke really.
Granted he worked for Toyota, so the bar on quality was extremely high...
Even an econo-shitbox won't need repair for the first 2 years.
Just showing up to defend his own purchase and not doing it in a particularly convincing way lol
Do you think that every time a gas car gets on fire it makes it to the headlines? Have you heard about selection bias?
Just saying, ICE car fires aren't as dangerous as battery fires.
One burns faster, WAY hotter, and is harder to put out.
It burns much slower, not faster. That's why it can burn for so long. And it has to be put differently. It's like saying a grease fire is harder to put out because you can't pour water on it. You can easily put it out by covering it, tho, same as battery fires.
Ignites faster, is what I meant.
Also not many fire stations have the ability to put out electrical fires, so yes, it's harder to put out.
Ignites faster? A cigarette or just a static spark can Ignite gas fumes, you need to do pretty catastrophic damage to a pack for it to Ignite...
... Are you purposely being dense?
Light an ICE and EV vehicle on fire. See which one you can sit in the drivers seat longer for.
EV, because it burns slower
Yeah. .01% seems small, but that means that out of every 10,000 Teslas sold, one of them has already caught fire. That's a ridiculously huge number
Having a Tesla is one of the most liberating experiences. I don't have to go to gas stations, I don't sit in lines at the gas station, I don't even have to turn the car off. I get to where I'm going stop the car. Get out walk away without doing anything at all. I didn't put it in park. I didn't turn it off. I just opened the door, walked out and closed the door and the car did the rest for me. On a hot summer day and I'm coming back out with a bunch of frozen groceries. I tell the car to go ahead and be cold inside before I get there.
Sure. The owner of Tesla is a giant jerk but that doesn't change any of the benefits. The full self-driving feature is absolute garbage. Don't trust it. Don't buy it. But in terms of a car being a good car, it's a great car. The center of gravity is practically in the road. It's a very difficult car to flip. It's structurally very sound. If it catches fire, that's a super bad time. Mine is all-wheel drive so it's super zippy from a light, corners really well, and is a lot quieter than other vehicles I've had. To be fair, those other vehicles were loud sports cars, but the point remains.
Is the car perfect?? No. Is the owner an a sshole? Yes. Well worth every penny, and the operating costs per mile are multiples better than the other vehicles I own.
Don't worry about your downvotes. These people can't separate Musk from Tesla and they are DEDICATED to disliking Tesla.
I'll chime in and say that this mirrors my experience as well. This thread is full of the same old misinformation spouted by people who have never driven one. I'll even give a vote of confidence to the self driving. I can't go back to manually keeping the car between the lines for hours and hours. It really does improve situational awareness and reduces fatigue in a huge way.
This has been exactly my experience. It's not a perfect car but to get a similar experience from a different brand I'd have to pay 30% to 70% more (Model 3 performance vs KiaEV6 GT or BMW i4 M50)
That M3P is silly quick right?
The EV6GT wasn't out when I got mine. Nothing existed that could compete.
Yeah, 3.3 to 100km/h (IIRC 3.1 to 60mph), around 11.7s for the quarter mile. Basically faster than any Ferrari from the 2000s.
Yeah, I have similar experiences. However, this is my first EV, so I have limited idea whether models from other makers are as good. I did consider VWs at the time, but the low quality of their computer systems was very apparent. Tesla's software seems to be pretty good and at least VW is having big troubles catching up.
New Hyundais might be good, but their color selection are depressing, which made them a nope for us. And they weren't cheaper than Teslas, which I kinda would have expected them to be.
Oh, yes, there's nothing more imprisoning than having to turn your car off. I can't imagine how people are able to deal with it.
Next up: How I orgasmed and achieved nirvana by upgrading my iPhone 14 Pro Max to the iPhone 15 Pro Max.
You'll know once you experience it
Where do you live that you sit in line at a gas station? I've never sat at a gas station.
Sounds like the benefits you're describing are benefits of driving any EV, right? The only Tesla-specific thing I think you mentioned you said was garbage.
Tesla's UX, in my experience and opinion, is superior to anything else I've seen in cars so far.
I don't think the " stop get out walk away" feature has been replicated.
Hyundai/ Kia are the only real competitors which is a bit weird. Some of the cars not only won't turn themselves off, they will start harassing you to go back, get in the car, and turn off the car. It knows you left and just cries about it and scolds you va. Just putting itself into low power mode. It knows you aren't in a seat and your Bluetooth left.
None have the charging options of a Tesla except Tesla and now maybe Ford because a deal was made.
Tesla can use Tesla charging and CCS.
The austere interior isn't for everyone.
The raw performance puts Tesla in the lead but the EV6 is very quick
Most of it is Elon hate, not actually Tesla hate.
Personally, I prefer cars not built by racists.
I think the problem is not the cool features, it's the modern "subscriber model" way they're sold to you. People don't hate printers because they've got all the bells and whistles, they hate them because they're expensive items which the manufacturers treat as if you're renting from them.
Tesla is the car company doing the least of that though. All the app functionality is there when you buy the car. The only subscription is for data streaming.
Really? That is the exact opposite of what I've heard! Sure all the other companies are copying Tesla's successful model, but I was under the impression that they basically pioneered the idea of selling you a car with features you have to pay again or subscribe to use, and having this always-connected DRM approach to remotely disabling things.
Nope, like I said the only subscription is for the premium data plan. You even get basic data for free.
I can concur with Socsa. I paid $100/yr for the data but in comparison, Tesla's light on the subscription model. My Chevy from 2018 wanted $10/mo for OnStar, $20 for hotspot, and $ for SiriusXM (which I will never subscribe to again since unsubscribing is such a goddamn nightmare).
The panel gaps are so big you can lose a child in them.
The vehicles were never designed to be driven outside California, as the trunk dumps all the snow into the trunk when it opens (EDIT: nvm, it also dumps all the rain also.), instead of in drainage channels, and the pop out handles freeze making it impossible to open your vehicle from the outside.
That's all before we even talk about driving one, the software issues, or the insane CEO.
Remember when he said he is a conservative and will be persecuted for his views.
And then less than 24 hours the story of him trying to buy a flight attendants silence on his sexual harassment with a horse came out.
The hush horse story.
He's been a joke for years
Him "coming out" as a conservative ghoul was just meant to fuel the persecution complex of his fans
Conservatives and rightoids, always think people are against them because they are conservative and rightoids, but it's just because they are pieces of shit, it's not the people's fault those two traits almost always come in pairs.