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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, let me get this straight. You think hate speech is okay, because the disenfranchised need to express themselves? Why would the disenfranchised need to utilize hate speech to address systemic problems in their society? Surely the recipient of the hate speech is more disenfranchised.

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think hate speech is an unfortunate, but acceptable side effect of free speech. It's a net positive.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being allowed to exist is a much bigger law that overrules freedom of speech.

Plenty of things do, if you commit a crime, you can also still be jailed and that doesn't infringe on freedom of speech.

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being allowed to exists IS free speech. The whole LGBT movement exists and spreads via free speech rules.

Plenty of people still think that being gay is immoral. In many places they're still being jailed for "corrupting youth". The only places that see social change are those with strong free speech protections. It's so obvious, it hurts.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No it doesn't. The LGBTQ+ community exists because society at large accepts them. If what you say is true, then Nazis speaking out against them and inciting violence and advocating discrimination against the LGBTQ+ community is violating their right to free speech, so who exactly is the hypocrite here? Seems clear to me the Nazis are.

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago

The society at large needs free speech protections to show their acceptance of any group. If Nazis are not to be accepted, which I agree with, then the pressure from society will drive that ideology down in popularity. However, the government of any nation will actively resist change to preserve the system of society that is already in place. So, they will actively want to control speech to resist change. Do you want an authoritarian regime? You won't be able to control it.