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A place to discuss positive changes that can make work more equitable, and to vent about current practices. We are NOT against work; we just want the fruits of our labor to be recognized better.
Our Philosophies:
- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
- Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
- Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
- We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.
Our Goals
- Higher wages for underpaid workers.
- Better worker representation, including but not limited to unions.
- Better and fewer working hours.
- Stimulating a massive wave of worker organizing in the United States and beyond.
- Organizing and supporting political causes and campaigns that put workers first.
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No one has ever wanted to work.
This is a hot take. People have definitely wanted to work. The problem is now we don't need to. There was a point that humans needed to work or we would not evolve as a species. There are many that took pride in being a part of that. Now that need has shifted into we could feasibly feed and shelter every soul on the planet and a few greedy fucks don't know how to coordinate it with all their riches.
Depends what you mean by work. People always want to do things and create things and help others. They don't want to spend 8 hours a day doing menial, meaningless crap just to be able live.
My point is that they did. Back when there was a sense of accomplishment that added to the human existence. There was a sense of pride to a lot of workers in the 50s for many reasons. I do agree that it has changed. And a lot of it has to do with the rewards given. But they still exist.
I don't think they have. I think they were made to labor under the whip or under a promise for something. You're like that other guy thinking the guy cracking the whip or promoting the latest video game are "working".
The freedom to pursue ones interests isn't work.
You make it sound like there is only dirt poor people forced to work or criminally rich people with "freedom to peruse their interests"
Somehow having a job you like in this situation makes it not work.
LOL, nah man, I found WORK and I like it and it's still called WORK.
Whatever you need to tell yourself.
The idea that work stops being work if you enjoy it not something I can take seriously.
Working in a textile mill in 120 degree heat is work. It's work no one wants to do. No one comes in and argues pedantically about "well I find sweating my ass off for minimum wage fulfilling". That's work.
Going into your temperature controlled office where you're a CPA and get paid wonderfully and enjoy numbers isn't the same thing at all.
The work I'm referencing is the bottom tier shit that without it the economy would crumble. Not your SEO manager bullshit job that you think you love cause you're making 6 figures in a 5 figure town.
Buddy, working in a textile mill in 48 °C is a safety hazard and modern slavery. You have a weird warped pedantic perspective on what work means. And somejow the rest of us should take the dictionary definition and throw it out of the window and instead adopt your made up definition that seems to only work in your head? 😬 No thanks.
The first is modern slavery. The second is work. Hope it helps! Cheers.
Ps: SEO manager? Clearly it was a mistake to engage you at all because you didn't read squat shit of what I wrote. Note to the future: do not engage people who haven't even read your own text, and don't bother reading their text to the end. They are upset at a phantom in their heads, not you.
Yeah you're definitely one of those people that talks louder than whoever they're talking with and assumes they're right. Enjoy your "work".
I am enjoying it, thanks.
If you live in more ancient times, do you want to be a slave?
Soft disagree. I want to do meaningful work and interesting work. It's boring bullshit getting 10 managers to approve a change when none of them know what I even do. I love working on my projects in my garage, or in my kitchen on baking something.
Wow what a sweeping statement with no legs to stand on.
I love work. I worked (yes) quite hard to get a degree and become a developer and ML engineer. One day, I'd like to work in computational neuroscience. I hate so many things about work culture, but the work itself? Naaah, it's awesome. I'd rather spend every day in this life working on something I love and have interested in, instead of going around making sweeping statements about the entire globe on the internet, incapable of accepting that not everyone is like me.
I feel the same way.
Then get ready for lots of downvotes because apparently pointing out that someone made a sweeping generalization then telling the world you're one of those few who enjoy their jobs means you deserve being downvoted to hell 😁
snek's statement still stands. They announced they love work. It negates the prior statement. Why downvote then?
I thought this was Work Reform, not Anti Work 😭 my mistake
Modern "work" does not involve doing something you're passionate about or interested in for the vast majority of people...
Yep so not "all" of them.
Check out the term "hyperbole"
Oh my oh my sorry for taking people in the internet at face value. Next time I'll just guess what their thought process was and live my life based on that.
Thanks but apology declined
Here's another one: I'm so sorry your life must really suck with work and all to the point that you can't see other people enjoying it and where you feel the need to say they aren't really "working" just because they found something they love and succeeded in navigating the shitty system (out or merit or luck or privilege, whatever) and you didn't /:
We can all be on the same side. I hate modern work culture and I actively try to improve it and myself day after day. I'm sure you do too.
Could you accept that one too?
Cheers bud.
No. Also, I like my job
Of course you do 🙄
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Nothing, I just totally believe you and agree with you. Have a nice day. ☺️
You need to consider that most jobs out there are simply things that need to be done, not things that people are passionate about. Getting a higher eductation and a complex job is something for which I consider myself very lucky. I was born with all the opportunities to do so. Despite these privileges, I acknowledge that the people doing the fundamental, low level jobs deserve adequate compensation to lead a happy life
This was always my view. I don't think I said anything at all that implies otherwise. So we already agree. My original comment was in response to someone saying no one ever in existence wanted to work. Surely you've met idiots on the internet and had to explain things to them before, no? Hard for me to assume they were using a literary device. I'd rather take them at face value.
Lol, good try at turning snek's argument against him, but that was clearly sarcasm.
owen is the reason /s was invented.
Burh. As if I would say "apology declined" in earnest
Cheating. This is akin to saying, "I was just kidding!"
Cheating? This isn't a game, it's a conversation
Cheating. Changed the definition of the word "work"
Whatever you do isn't work, buddy and you knew that before replying.
It literally Is work, and you knew that before replying /: see we can both say shit like that.
You need it to be defined as work.