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[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

Hogwarts came out a quarter of a year earlier and released on every platform compared to Zelda only being on one.

I wouldn't take that as a indictment that J.K.'s terf bullshit didn't have an impact on sales.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, and the fact that people basically can't talk about this game without mentioning it got boycotted because one of the people who makes money from it is a massive piece of transphobic shit is a small step forward all on its own

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In that sense, it worked. Let's face it: The people who don't care about the author's raging bigotry were never going to be convinced regardless, but there were a lot of us who didn't even consider playing it because of the TERF.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Anecdotally, everyone I’ve talked to about it doesn’t care. They don’t like she’s a TERF and some even condemn her for it, but every single person I’ve talked to separates the world of Harry Potter from her. It basically has a life of its own and they couldn’t care less about JKR now, that’s what I’ve been able to surmise of people’s view of it now. It’s like having racist parents but not being labeled as one because you’re a separate entity.

[–] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

I'm a big gamer, and was a massive HP fan. I did not buy the game, or even consider it, specifically because of JKR's bullshit.

I may be in the minority, but I guarantee I'm not the only one in this boat. So now you've talked to someone who cares, if you count this as talking.

And just to say a little more, no I didn't crusade against the game, nor do I villainize people who bought it and enjoyed it. I do think it's possible to enjoy art without liking the artist. Hell, my favorite book series of all time is the Ender's Game series, and Orson Scott Card is probably just as bad as JKR, though maybe not quite as famous/public about it.

But I can't bring myself to buy it. I'm trans, and her rhetoric, and how public it is, has been specifically harmful to me, directly. But that's just me. I won't tell other people how to live their lives or enjoy their free time, so long as they're not actively hurting others. And no, I don't consider buying a game where one person who is profiting from it might spend a sliver of that profit on anti-trans BS to be actively harming others, especially when she already has enough money to do whatever the hell she wants anyways.

This doesn't make a dent, and ethical consumption under capitalism is impossible anyways. I just hope that some portion of people who bought the game heard about the protests and maybe donated a fraction of what they paid for the game to some pro-LGBTQ groups. I have to believe there's at least a handful of people like that. I do believe that people are mostly good, and want to do good.

Yeesh, I wrote a lot more than I planned to here. I'll stop now lol.

[–] Osa-Eris-Xero512@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago (12 children)

Death of the author only applies if she's dead.

So unless there's been some good news in the last day, those people are just coping

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

So very true.

HP Lovecraft was horribly racist, but his works are in the Public Domain. Neither him, his estate or any causes he supported get any money by engaging with his works. His opinions are still part of his works, but that can be criticized and modified in adaptations and derivative works.

The same can't be said of living creators who still own and profit from those works. Even if some team deliberately tries to gloss over or alter concerning aspects, the money the author gets might still be directed towards concerning movements.

In all fairness there are concerning aspects in many industries and a lot that we consume, and each person has a lot of other issues to worry about, so while disappointing, it's inevitable that people won't care about everything. But I definitely don't feel confortable giving money to someone who's spreading hate about people I care for. I used to be a big HP fan but this situation completely spoiled any interest I had in that world... and also helped me realize it was never that good anyway.

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[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean, I didn't consider playing it because I've never been a fan of Harry Potter, but Rowling's ramblings definitely didn't do anything to change my mind.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I was a moderately engaged HP fan before I learned what a colossally awful human the author is, but her TERF ramblings also made me realize there's quite a lot of racial and ethnic stereotypes baked into the franchise. It's probably the fastest I've ever totally abandoned an interest in a series. Even if we do separate the works from the author like so many fanbois suggest, they're still awful.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

The whole situation with house elves, goblins and other intelligent magical creatures treated as inferior doesn't make the story feel to good. It might even be understandable if the heroes realized the deeper problems that couldn't be solved simply by fighting, but the protagonist ultimately just inherits a slave and becomes an enforcer for the status quo.

In retrospect it makes a lot of words about good and love and doing what's right feel like going through the motions rather than any real values.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't seem to have had a big impact I'd say

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You csn say all you like, we literally have zero idea how many lost sales they had.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We know it didn't prevent it from becoming the year's most sold game, so whatever the impact it's pretty easy to shrug off

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago (34 children)

Buddy, its the worlds 5 largest IP, id be shocked if it didnt sell millions of copies regardless.

For all we know it could have lost out on 20 million sales, but its an untrackable metric.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Did any of the other HP games ever top the charts?

If not, then there must be something special about this one other than IP. Especially since most of the other HP games came out before there was any JKR controversy.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Other than mobile games or Lego versions, there hasnt been a proper Harry Potter game since 13 years ago and from memory they were extremely average movie tie in games.

Its not a series like Pokemon or Zelda that sees frequent releases. It being the first real game, and done beautifully (graphics/ recreation wise) is certainly the biggest selling point.

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