Now that I think about it, so are potatoes, sweet potatoes, pumpkins, corn and cranberries. Thinking about my own Thanksgiving dinner table, the only thing I can identify as an Old World food are yeast rolls.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Its almost as if they just swapped out the chicken for turkey, having discovered and been using potatoes for years beforehand.

Nothing on the apple pie then? Just the one you thought you could refute, it would seem.

By your wild "logic" that would make every pork dish ever Chinese and Southern fried chicken Indian, as the pigs we eat today and chickens come from China and India respectfully.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, apples aren't native to the New World and apple pie wasn't invented in the Americas. It's not specifically British, either; it seems to have emerged independently across Western Europe in the middle ages, and was first brought to the Americas by the Dutch rather than the English. Hell, not even the quintessential American pie apple was invented here; the granny smith is Australian.

The British invented roast turkey about as much as they invented roast bison. You want to get into more specific recipes, I'd say chicken tikka masala is British and chicken parmesan is American, but I'm not letting the British have right of way over "get bird, add heat."

Pumpkin pie is kind of a strange one; the first thing you'd call a "pumpkin pie" was more of a savory soup eaten by Dutch settlers in Massachusetts in the 1600s; the first pumpkin served in a pastry crust was French, and the modern pattern of "sugar pumpkin puree in a shortbread crust" was invented a few minutes after the US Constitution was ratified.

Sweet potato pie is less ambiguous; it seems to have popped into existence fully formed in the American south in the 18th century.

Basically all corn products including popcorn and cornbread were known to the Native Americans for thousands of years before Europeans arrived.

The first known recipe for cranberry sauce as we would recognize it today was written in 1796 in the United States.

Green beans are native to Central America, green bean casserole was invented in New Jersey in 1950...

Again, what of this is particularly British? An American thanksgiving meal is as British as pizza.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

Beast of a comment. Found all of that really interesting 👍

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Apple pie is from England, even if you don't want it to be. Its not even about it not being American but it having flavour and being nice to eat.

They swapped out chicken for turkey and used the exact same recipe and cooking style. Declaring it unconnected changes nothing.

Green beans is a substitute for the exact same green veg you get with a British roast meal. If I put peas into a stir fry, it doesn't make the meal not Chinese lol.

Again, how can you not see those mildy adapted British things as British?

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Because I'm from a country with an actual national identity of its own, not some washed up little island whose national museum has on display a lot of things stolen from elsewhere and not much of its own, because their national culture has extremely little to show for itself.

I don't have to pretend we invented (checks notes) cooking food to feel like have any kind of national identity. You do, and it's hilariously pathetic.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What a bitter child you are and its hilarious that you think those things bother me or that I don't agree that the British library should give all those things back.

To claim Britain has little to no culture and no national identity is just brain dead. No, your ignorance is not a substitute for a cogent argument and to hear it from an American of all people is just tragic. What little culture you have is what you stole from Europe, claiming it to be your own, or stolen from African Americans.

I engaged on with and corrected the nonsense you were spewing. Theres no need to throw your toys out the pram over it. I wouldn't need to talk about the food from here, if you weren't spewing dumb nonsense. Learn the lesson, child. I mean, memes are all good and the above is funny but theres always some immature bigots like you who have to take it too far and make stupid things up.