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Funny how you're more charitable to this white supremicist's views than you are for anyone to your left.
Last time we were having a discussion you misrepresented my views with every reply, but you've really dialed in the various flavors of racist, because those nuances are so important to understand.
Conservatives will ally with racists and fascists before they compromise with a lib.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> Funny how you’re more charitable to this white supremicist’s views than you are for anyone to your left.
This is an interesting take. You must not know me very well.
Have you seen my political commentary blacklist of bad faith actors? It's mostly people on the right.
https://social.teci.world/objects/a591d729-7dd8-4374-b9c7-a31b9f5e56e9
> Last time we were having a discussion you misrepresented my views with every reply
Which convo was this?
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> > Conservatives will ally with racists and fascists before they compromise with a lib.
Part of me wonders if I'm even a #Conservative anymore. I hate big government and a lot of them don't, and the #MAGA people are pretty embarrassing to boot.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Conservatism is a philosophy, not a party. We are realists, the Left are anti-realists.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> Conservatism is a philosophy
Fair enough; Conservatism is pretty broad so it can be as libertarian as it can be fascist.
I care too much about supporting small government and principles over people to want to associate too closely with the modern right, who I feel is increasingly okay with authoritarianism (look at their support of #DeSantis for example)
> We are realists, the Left are anti-realists.
That's kind of a childish way to view things.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
I disagree; egalitarianism is an anti-realist philosophy.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen That's a different argument than the one you put forth though.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Egalitarianism is the root of the Left; it is an ideology. Conservatism is a folkway, which means we prefer time-proven solutions, which requires measurement by reality not human judgment. This naturally leads to a need for social order on a case-by-case basis anchored in a few general principles instead of One Big Idea.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> Egalitarianism is the root of the Left
Are you sure about this?
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Yes. Imagine Leftism without egalitarianism.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Imagine a horse with two legs. Doesn't mean that four legs are what makes a horse a horse. That's a parts-to-whole fallacy.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
The core philosophy of the Left is egalitarianism; this is inherent in their origin both in the ancient times and in Revolutionary France.
"left, in politics, the portion of the political spectrum associated in general with egalitarianism and popular or state control of the major institutions of political and economic life."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/left
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Interesting, I did not know that.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
A couple more links:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/egalitarianism/
https://iep.utm.edu/egalitarianism/
These are about the philosophy, but you can see the divisions in Leftism from classical liberal through Communism play out in these arguments.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen I do know about #Egalitarianism because it has influenced some denominations of #Christianity unfortunately
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Examining political spheres of thought, I've been wondering if I'm not closer to #ConservativeLiberalism than #Conservatism itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_liberalism
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
For me, getting away from Wikipedia is important. It's enemy propaganda. Britannica does a lot better for quality information anyway.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
More likely just classically liberal with some culturally Christian conservative leanings.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Possibly. My right wing social values will never change because the #Bible does, but I care most about the Y-axis on the #PoliticalCompass. Can't get down with #Libertarianism because that's too extreme for me, unfortunately
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Libertarianism is basically anarchy and that is dysfunctional.
But as an economic theory and a way of achieving indirect solutions it is great.