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I myself am really on the fence about this.

I hate what Reddit has done, as I was removed as a moderator on my sub. But I much prefer the UI to Lemmy so far. I’m also having a hard time understanding how this all works. I was familiar with Reddit, and it is obviously a way more active community.

But I also used Apollo and hate how they’ve done him so dirty.

Will you guys return if Reddit rights it’s wrongs?

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[–] lixus98@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

No, Spez showed his true colors, I would never go back to reddit ruled by that elon wannabe, the fediverse seems like a good option, and hopefully will grow more.

I would probably try and advertise the fediverse over there.

[–] rastilin@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

No way. Even if they back down this time, they'll just try again later when we get complacent. Being on guard all the time is exhausting and not worth it when we can simply leave Reddit for good.

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I wasn't on Reddit in the first place, so my opinion's not really relevant here, but I really enjoy the communities that have formed on Lemmy, so I do hope people stay around. I really strongly believe in the federation of networks over the centralization around capital.

[–] static@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll go back to reddit if the content is better.

Occasionally dropping shade and telling people to move to a better platform.
No shame, karma is useless.

[–] Rolive@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Only if /u/spez gets fired without any sort of compensation. As long as he has any sort of power over Reddit he'll just wait and try to pull this again.

[–] ProfessorFlaw@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

No ofc not xd

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Backtracking on API would only be one part of the puzzle. I won't go back while Huffman is CEO. And if RIF still closes down then I still say fuck 'em.

[–] amnesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It’s hard to imagine a scenario where I go back to Reddit.
I really like FOSS but I’m not a true believer type, and this whole situation just really icked me out on Reddit. I wasn’t even a third-party app person, I mostly used the official app on my iPhone. But before June 12 I deleted it and downloaded Apollo instead. Since June 12 I have barely interacted with it.
I’ve been trying out every alternative since. Kbin, Mastodon, RSS feeds, Tumblr, hell I’ve even been trying out Instagram although I know Meta is arguably worse. Kbin + RSS feeds + Tumblr is almost there, just need a lot more discussion on Kbin.
Tl;dr: really, probably, no.

[–] HighJudge@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

No. This whole Fediverse feels like Reddit did in the beginning. Real conversations. Real sense of community. No pointless bloat or mindless repetition. I started actually participating because I'm not drowned out with a million ridiculous generic comments minutes after a post. Reddit will undoubtedly continue, but not with me as a part of it.

[–] 3melvi@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago

No, they showed their hand and they will not change their attitude. They got caught in their lies and their malicious intentions. I do not mind them behaving like a business, I mind that they are becoming unethical in the way they are pursuing their goals, because they think we are passive enough that will accept such type of conduct without batting an eyelash.

[–] Sirobin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No. It would be different if they just killed third party apps (with appropriate notice) and like, I would be upset, since Apollo is genuinely one of the best pieces of software I've ever used, but I would just use old Reddit on my phone like I do with my computer, and it would be fine. But the outright hostility spez has shown for users means I will never post there again, and I'm signed out unless I need to find something on my account. The final straw was spez's response to the blackouts, which I would summarize as "Once they get over their little temper tantrum, they'll come crawling back to us." It was condescending, insulting, and frankly infuriating. He can't even pay lip service to the most dedicated members of the site, so god knows what he's saying in private. Why on earth should we spend any time on a site who's leadership so clearly despises us?

[–] ContentSpy@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

No. I like it much better here

[–] Gsicht@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Damn redditors... They ruined reddit!

[–] Nihilore@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I’ve already deleted my 12 year old account, so doubt it

[–] OpenStars@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Not fully - those days are over, even if he gets fired (which sets me to wondering if he has some protection from that in his contract? but likely they could find a way regardless, like install a new position of "CEO overseer" that is above him, depending on the language).

And in its place seems to be a new era of freedom, where the content is divorced somewhat from the interface via federation, or at least Reddit is no longer the singular source of where all the good stuff is (I don't like watching videos - e.g. you can't "search" for stuff like you can text).

I help mod a tiny enthusiast sub over there so as people in it struggle to come to terms with what's going on, I haven't fully left there even now (yet...). Even so, even if Reddit backtracks, I like the idea of not putting everything into the one place anymore, b/c it makes the conditions for what happened too easily repeatable. If he felt that he had even the slightest competition, he would not have felt nearly so free to do what he did - so it falls to us (ALL of us) to not allow that to occur again.

Inside the walled gardens they take "good" care of you... but never forget that then you belong to them.

Not planning on returning. Reddit was getting crappy for a long time, particularly with how it responded to advertiser-unfriendly content. Federated social media is a better system, and by a metric of centralization, Reddit always sucked. It is a sad example of how corporations are successfully commercializating every aspect of human existence. I dropped in a couple times after June 11th in RiF, but at this point I feel no desire to open up the app.

Additionally, I've been posting a whole hell of a lot more here than I was on Reddit just a couple weeks prior. It's nice to feel wanted for once.

Lemmy and Kbin are early in their life cycles. I can put up with bugs and growing pains. Because the Fediverse is organized as a decentralized community, if one large group decides to enshittify their instance, we can just move to another instance or defederate from them if they pose a threat to the community. It's going to be very hard to unilaterally kill the whole community like what happened on Reddit and Digg. If it becomes possible in one of the Fediverse applications, we can read the source code, sound the alarm, and fork it or patch it out.

I had to learn how to use Reddit; I will learn how to use the Fediverse too. We'll get through this.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I will never willingly provide free labour in the form of commenting, interacting, and posting on a site that not only exploits my work for profit, but insults me and is run by a pathological liar and malignant narcissist. So no.

[–] thesalamander@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's definitely a wait and see situation. My Reddit account is gone, so if Lemmy continues to grow I see no reason why I'd go back. If Lemmy dies, then obviously I wouldn't have anywhere else to go.

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[–] beto@lemmy.studio 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I deleted my 17 year old account. There's no going back, even if Reddit did backtrack it would be temporary. The enshitification has started and can't be stopped.

[–] Facelikeapotato@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably worth checking if it stayed deleted. A lot of people are saying their accounts, comments, posts etc got restored.

[–] beto@lemmy.studio 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks! Just checked and it's still gone!

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Not me. reddit has been getting shittier and shittier for years, now I'm finally rid of it. It's like getting out of an abusive relationship lol.

[–] Adi2121@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, but only to the more niche subs. I've really missed some of them, lime r/stunfisk or r/mapporncirclejerk. I'll stay away from the mainstream subs; I've had enough of the toxicity.

No

There's more to this than the direct changes to their platform:

  • not communicating with mods and users
  • being deadset about a really bad feature
  • doubling down on killing third party development
  • being a real dick about controversies
  • not valuing users for their content
  • not valuing volunteer moderators
  • going after a beloved developer specifically for no other reason than him going public with the situation

There's some things you can't rebuild, and a lot of redditors accept that Reddit is like an abusive spouse and it's time to see other people.

[–] xargs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This is the most degen reason to give, but the likelihood is I would go back. Lemmy is solid though there's a couple of things that make me wonder if it's worth fully commiting.

a) Userbase. If reddit went back, subreddits would likely reopen, change their rules back to how they were before, and therefore the numbers would follow.

b) Centralised. I know this one will piss people off, but the fragmentation of lemmy is a bit too much. I have the option to put all my trust into a single account on one instance and subscribe fedarated if instances support it, or I can create 20 different accounts across different instances.

c) Retention of userstats. While I've not got rediculous amounts of karma like some people do, I have a a little bit, and rebuilding that is a bit ass.

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[–] unattributed@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most responses I've seen have centered on spez's actions, but I have a bigger reason for saying no.

Ever since the Conde Nasty days Reddit has gone in a direction that would be abhorrent to Aaron Schwarz. For this who aren't aware, Aaron was one of the original designers and developers of Reddit.

Anyway, I feel that reddit is now something of an insult to Aaron's legacy. Spez has made it worse by pissing on his grave.

[–] rollingFlint@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No, I won't return.

This whole episode taught me the importance of diversifying the online communities/platforms that I use, and how NOT to rely on a single platform controlled by a for-profit entity.

From now on, it's communities based on open platforms first for me, and proprietary ones the distance second and only if I really can't avoid it.

[–] lauha@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

I don't use Reddit on my computer, only browse it using RIF and my reddit usage will stop when the RIF stops working.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No. I'll use RSS to lurk on subs that don't move, but this more and fragmentation has pushed me to finally try and curb my endless scrolling habits (by utilising IRC, I now only go through small bytes of content, and if I don't feel like it is important, I don't waste any more time).

[–] lunarshot@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

do you have any more info on how to get started with this? I have no desire to go back but would love to know how to loosely lurk like that

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[–] Larvitar@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, current reddit management has shown their true colors.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Time and again.

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