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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 252 points 1 year ago (21 children)

What a fucking joke. It's amazing how all these countries set weak goals for themselves and then fail anyway.

We're all going to die lol

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 136 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The UK likes to go the other way by talking up a ridiculous goal and then immediately failing it, like "Our goal is to produce zero CO2 and become the global leader in renewables by 2025” and then immediately open a new coal mine.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

That's basically what Germany did. They recently shut down their nuclear plants and restarted their coal plants.

[–] agarorn@feddit.de 36 points 1 year ago (5 children)

And yet coal power production is practically at the lowest level ever (except for corona months 03/20 and 04/20)

https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=de&c=DE&chartColumnSorting=default&year=-1&month=-1&stacking=stacked_absolute×lider=1&legendItems=000001010000000000000

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[–] Ooops@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago

Wow... Where have I read that lie before? Oh, yeah. 20 times in this thread already, because you all get your alternative reality sppon-fed by the same lobbyists.

Actual reality:

The "massive" amount of nuclear shut down

The "coal" that replace nuclear

The actual historic low of coal use

[–] notapantsday@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is just blatant misinformation. Name one single coal plant that has been restarted since nuclear power was phased out.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-reactivates-coal-fired-power-plant-to-save-gas/a-62893497

The Mehrum plant in Hohenhameln and the Heyden plant in Petershagen (whose operation has been extended).

Unless your nitpick is that these were started before the final nuclear shutdown, but I never said otherwise, only that both things happened recently.

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[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes, but the goals in germany are written into a law, and the highest council actually blaming the government for failed goals.

[–] quatschkopf34@feddit.de 33 points 1 year ago

Still not gonna change a damn thing. The (federal) government(s) don’t care, they are busy framing harmless protesters as potential terrorists and jailing them accordingly. Or they simply change the law again so that they do not have to be held accountable for their missed goals (see the ministry for transport).

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

The kind of law where people go to jail or the kind of law people have long televised meetings and write op eds?

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The government has more interest in pursuing the global power ambitions of the Standort Deutschland rather than accomplishing environmental goals, even in spite of one of the parties being named Die Grünen (which is basically just good PR for them and nothing of substance) - and the goals that are being pursued anyway are all to the slogan of Cem Özdemir "Zwischen Wirtschaft und Umwelt gehört kein oder". Environmentalism as long as it remains profitable, even at costs of +2, +2,5, +3 or more °C

The next elections are sure to be won by Merz, with or without the AfD, and very likely to have the FDP in influential ministries, so nothing will change - or perhaps even for the worse.

That's what happens when the main goal of production is not the goal of creating socially necessary goods, but to insert money into the labor process and end up with more than you had at the beginning.

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[–] Sodis@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The goal is complete decarbonization until 2045 and a lot of sectors in Germany are already on track with that goal, energy being one of them. That with a minister of finance, that does not want to spend money and a minister of transportation, that is more a puppet of the automobile industry and does not care about decarbonization. Imagine the US without the huge subsidies into clean energy. That's what Germany is trying to do under their current minister of finance.

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[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm much more optimistic, though I do think it will get worse before it gets better. I think we'll end up with a few mass killer enviromental events before humans start to save themselves properly. It'll never be too late as Earth is always going to better than anywhere else for us.

Quick list of things hopeful in my feeds of the top of my head.

  • Renewable energy is the cheapest energy.
  • Agrivoltaics can increase yeilds while also providing power.
  • Home Solar & battery pay back time is coming down all the time.
  • Electric cars are the cheapest over their life time and the upfront costs are tumbling.
  • Electrification of more and more transport types is happening to save costs.
  • EVs are going V2H/V2G/V2X which means you get a large home (and office?) battery to take part in energy markets.
  • Second life EV batteries will eventury be a source of larger, cheaper, home batteries.
  • Just the other day another methane solution : https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/22/bacteria-that-eats-methane-could-slow-global-heating-study-finds
  • Fusion looks closer than 50 years out now.
  • RightToRepair + OpenSource is slowly spreading and will reduce life time costs and reduce e-waste. Regulators are waking up too.
  • Vertical farming is developing and will end up cheaper.
  • Lab meat or precision fermentation is a path to animal free animal protein at lower costs.
  • 5 minute cities as an idea is spreading.
  • Covid has normalized WFH
  • Green spaces in cities to cool them and improve mental health is increasingly being talked about and pushed in some forward thinking cities.
  • Peak population is constantly revised down and sooner. Once population starts to fall, it's not set to stop for a long time.

There is a lot of movement. It's all about aligning economics with fighting climate change. Which is natural as using less to do the same thing is better for both.

One thing that is a very good sign is oil companies are scared. They are spending a lot of money pumping out FUD. Doom peddling to slow climate action, but economics is against them. Even without climate damage being costed in. Which governments will do when oil is less powerful.

Fight the doom!

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some of the things you listed are indeed good, but we're not going to avert climate catastrophe unless we reject the idea that we can only do good things if they're less expensive than the bad thing alternative.

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 61 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Not german but I'm in the same continent and in a country that nobody really cares about and we are nearing the threshold where renewables produce more than we require to run the country.

Funny thing is, private citizens are doing more for that effort alone than government in real terms because saving money is high on the priorities list here and free, renewable energy is a good thing, even more if you can produce it yourself.

Meanwhile, we've been fighting the government to cancel the authorization to log nearly 2000 old growth cork oaks for installing a solar panel farm when we have a lot of room to plant off shore wind farms.

Nobody really understands what is going on.

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[–] lntl@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children)

This is the German plan:

  1. Shutdown the nuclear plants
  2. Burn more lignite
  3. WFH

The council said assumptions made by the transport ministry on the effectiveness of the planned and already implemented measures, such as a discounted national rail ticket, a CO2 surcharge on truck tolls and increased working from home, were also optimistic. "Private vehicle individual transport is not addressed, so to speak. And that is ultimately a gap in the transport programme," Brigitte Knopf, deputy chairwoman of the council, told a news conference presenting the report findings on Tuesday

The plan for transportation emissions, 2/3 of the target to be cut, is WFH. Yikes!

[–] Sodis@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago

@Grimpen@lemmy.ca You are misinformed there. The energy sector reaches its goal and offshore wind farms and solar panels are actually over-performing, meaning more are built than was planned for this year. The sectors largely missing their goals are the transport and the building sector.

[–] cedeho@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If all the subsidiaries that went into nuclear power the last few decades went to renewables instead Germany would have no issues at all, but hey... giving tax payer money to some very few giant energy companies is more important than creating a Europe leading renewables energy sector that does not rely on russian fossils or nuclear material.

You should know that nuclear power is very expensive while renewables are absurd crazy cheap. I've been to a German Endlager and it takes years and BILLIONS of Euros just to seal this thing off. Guess who is paying? Mostly tax payers.

There's be no company in Germany which would be willing to run a nuclear power plant if they were responsible for the permanent disposal of their waste on their own instead of letting the tax payer pay (most of) for it.

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[–] GenEcon@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Funny, because the energy sector was the only on track to fulfill the targets. Last year it even overshot its targets and is expected to again save more CO2 as planned in 2023.

Maybe, just maybe, its more relevant that other sectors are managed by the FDP (market liberals) and SPD (social democrats), while energy is managed by die Grünen (greens).

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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lignite

More like lig-nite deez nuts.

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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

I mean, they have only really started since the corrupt right-wing shitheads are not in office anymore. Now we only have to deal with a minister of transport who just refuses to work and claims policies the greens pushed for are his achievement lol

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

"Recommendations" are useless when line must always go up. stonks-up

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

You'd think the shock of the gas shortage from Russia would of been a wake up call and they'd be ahead of a timeline like this....

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.de 26 points 1 year ago

No matter the platform worldnews comments contain mainly ignorant, overconfident bullshit. Glad to know that there are some things in life one can depend upon.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago
[–] GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well duh? Are they nationalizing all carbon emitting industries to begin a managed decline of the industry or are they hoping economic magic and wishful thinking will work?

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

they're turning their coal power plants back on after shutting down their nuclear power plants. oh, and planning on converting existing natural gas pipelines to carry hydrogen instead... likely generated by natural gas.

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[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

Wow what a surprise, guess brown coal isn’t good for the climate. Bunch of idiots those German politicians. They even tried to weaken that EU bill that bans the sale of new fossil fuel cars.

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[–] Quaxamilliom@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

China still is the ONLY country in the world to have met the super meager Paris Climate Accord goals.

[–] Amadan@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

China has absolutely not met the Paris accord goals. Check climate action tracker for a good breakdown of countries policies and actions and the projection it puts them on. No country is anyway close.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 13 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


BERLIN, Aug 22 (Reuters) - German goals to cut greenhouse emissions by 65% by 2030 are likely to be missed, meaning a longer-term net zero by a 2045 target is also in doubt, reports by government climate advisers and the Federal Environment Agency (UBA) show.

"According to the current status, Germany would still emit 229 million tonnes of climate-damaging greenhouse gas emissions in the target year 2045," the UBA report found.

Under pressure from the pro-business FDP party, the ruling coalition in June agreed to dilute a bill to phase out oil and gas heating systems from 2024.

Building minister Klara Geywitz said the sector was making progress but needs improvements in some areas to close the emissions gap, adding that climate protection measures should be practical and doable to avoid overtaxing people.

The council said assumptions made by the transport ministry on the effectiveness of the planned and already implemented measures, such as a discounted national rail ticket, a CO2 surcharge on truck tolls and increased working from home, were also optimistic.

And that is ultimately a gap in the transport programme," Brigitte Knopf, deputy chairwoman of the council, told a news conference presenting the report findings on Tuesday.


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