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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 178 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Now we can not buy their games on Steam, too! πŸ˜ƒ

[–] Wanderer@r.nf 9 points 1 month ago

I was hoping to see this comment!

[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 136 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It's funny because if Bethesda, EA, Ubisoft and Epic joined forces to make one platform they could put a dent in the steam monopoly.

But since they're bunch of shittiy toxic managers with mentality of screwing everyone around for their own benefit, it's never going to happen. They will always fail and crawl back to Gabe

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (3 children)

For a short period, yes probably. But Bethesda is a failing studio and so is Ubisoft. EA has popular sports games but I’d guess that’s a very small portion of PC sales considering those games do poorly on the platform compared to consoles. Epic does have loads of money but not enough to float the other companies.

In my view, Microsoft and their GamePass stuff is the only real competitor that will ever take a small dent out of steams sales, mostly because of the Call of Duty titles being on there now. But in order to take 0.05% or whatever of their sales they had to: own the OS for almost every computer running steam, buy dozens of game studios, compete (and lose) in the physical console market over decades, and they had to buy not one but two of the largest studios out there. To the point where they own a significant portion of the iOS App Store that is orders of magnitude more money than PC games and still they cannot compete with steam on their own operating system.

If that doesn’t spell out how unstoppable Steam is, I don’t know what will. The thing that might actually hurt Steam is if those publishers were all GamePass exclusives. Even then, Steam would be just fine I think. Crazy.

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 35 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Steam is untouchable until Gaben dies. Then God help us all.

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[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 10 points 1 month ago

Steam does good by the customer. No one else does. Only when they are customer first will they make a dent in Steam sales.

[–] 50MYT@aussie.zone 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The only thing to hurt steam will be Gabe dying

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[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Homie, motherfucking Microsoft couldn't put a dent in STEAM.

[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Please Microsoft couldn't even maintain Skype dominance after they bought it.

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[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Its literally the prisoners dilemma but they're too greedy to look at it factually 😭

Explanation for those that don't know https://youtu.be/TJCGTNIwmv8?si=lRAX3BPpKO2j_SOX

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

You left your SI in the link

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[–] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 118 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Epic enshittified early. The whole system was terrible and they force it onto you. Here is valve actively making it easier to play your games while epic was like "It's PC gaming, you get the good with the bad, suck it!". You can't simply buy your competition when your competition has more money than God.

Epic is failing because Tim Sweeney refused to innovate the platform.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 99 points 1 month ago (19 children)

Fuck Tim Sweeney with a linux powered dildo.

He is the reason linux gaming is being held back.

[–] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Pornhub video title would be: "Getting all my weak spots penetrated at once by software using 'unsafe custom kernels' "

[–] dankm@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Even Microsoft doesn't seem to be actively preventing their games from running on Linux. Fuck Sweeney.

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 76 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That picture of Gaben badly needs the addition of someone feeding him grapes

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Someone add the stylized female version of Engineer feeding him grapes

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[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 70 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ubisoft could put their games for free right into my PC's games folder and I still wouldn't play them. They're shit.

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Once you’ve played one Ubisoft game you’ve played them all. They did that thing where they took the best gameplay loops from each of their games and implemented them in their other games. So you always feel like you’ve done it before.

Their stories dance around the idea of saying something meaningful without actually taking a stance on anything. They feel like they’ve been approved by a board of directors and not the vision of an artist.

Absolutely soulless.

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 8 points 1 month ago

Spot on, I feel exactly the same about their games.

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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 60 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Man, I don't like the Steam monopoly on principle, but I have to admit I do struggle to pay attention to Epic exclusives. It's simply the launcher I open the least after GOG and Steam. I've though "hey, wasn't that Ubi Star Wars thing out" like two or three times and forgot about it between remembering that's an Epic thing and deciding whether I wanted to buy it.

But hey, since we're going multiplat again, I could use some newer Ubi games on GOG, too.

[–] Dasnap@lemmy.world 79 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Valve is just one shite CEO away from going from PC's blessing to its curse.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I choose to believe that Gabe's will bequeaths Steam to a cohort of independent non-profits and co-ops which will each be charged with attempting to continue to elevate gamers and gaming according to Gabe's 1,200 page manifesto.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 month ago (5 children)

GabeN will name twelve disciples who will spread His word and continue His work.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

sixteen (0-F), but yes.

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[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 40 points 1 month ago (17 children)

It’s a good monopoly, for now and hopefully for a long time.

The fact that Valve went out of their way to make gaming better in Linux, says a lot imho.

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[–] HeckGazer@programming.dev 35 points 1 month ago

It's tough for any public companies to compete because they keep setting off their own footguns, ensuring they don't succeed in the space. As long as Gabe is around I'm okay with this one (1) monopoly, as a treat.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

The weirdest thing is that steam doesn't have a natural or self reinforcing monopoly. It wouldn't take much for another company to copy their business model, and provide a competitor. In practice, however, they all fall flat on their faces.

Steam's model is to give up short term gain for a smaller long term gain. Over time, this has snowballed into what we see now. Gabe is happy to get ever richer from his golden goose laying away. The competitors get started, then try and gut the goose for a quick buck.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 8 points 1 month ago

It kind of does.

You get user lock-in as users buy more games, making it so Steam is always a store to buy from. You can't deplatform from Steam. At that point, you can't replace Steam with another DRM platform to pay existing games. That creates a large customer base which becomes a must add for vending new games.

It isn't a hard monopoly, but it helps create a soft monopoly.

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[–] poszod@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I'm on the same page as you, it's tough. I have no idea how any other platform can really achieve competitor status with steam, and this is a big problem for us consumers and for developers.

[–] Broken_Monitor@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago (7 children)

All Epic had to do was build a good store front with similar features as Steam provides. They didn’t. Their store sucked from the beginning and it also blows now. Relying purely on exclusives and freebies was a losing game - they needed to back it up by making the service worthwhile beyond that, and they utterly failed to do so.

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[–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I have no idea how any other platform can really achieve competitor status with steam

Aside from all the (other) obvious options replicating Steam, theres always the tried and true option of offering lower prices. To my knowledge, no one has been willing to try that yet.

[–] Pfifel@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Lower prices was a promise by Epic. We take a smaller cut from the devs so the savings can be passed down to the customers.

Didnt happen, buying on Epic is just getting a worse experience and giving the devs more money for it.

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[–] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 52 points 1 month ago
[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 40 points 1 month ago

That's half the reason I don't buy Ubisoft games. The other half is their launcher and DRM system.

[–] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Why is it always this one photo of Gabe? It's like a meme format that journalists use unironically any time Steam comes up.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Especially because IIRC he lost a bunch of weight since and looks better

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 month ago

Oh man, that picture of Gabe just keeps getting better.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And not a single fuck was given that day. Even if you buy through Steam you still have to install their shitty launcher and fuckin' Denuvo, and you can't even share it with your kids. I guess I'm glad Epic and Ubisoft are both feeling fucked, because they've earned it. They can both "get more comfortable with" not selling games.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

for the love of god and gaming, please don't buy ubisoft games

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ubisoft left steam? Didn't even know it, their games have gotten terrible reviews for so long, and their uplay platform is so shitty, I have skipped them until they fixed their game dev or cancelled uplay, haha.

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[–] Shape4985@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

Didnt even know they left. Not bothered with any of their games in so long.

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