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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You HAVE more options. You just decided to accept a system where those options don't matter at all.

[–] Doesntpostmuch@possumpat.io 8 points 4 weeks ago
[–] philo@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 weeks ago

And we all get upset.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

They should really talk about this when there isn't a possibly world changing election going on. It's almost like they're doing this to get people to waste their vote on a third party. Talk ranked choice voting the day after the election and don't shut up about it until the government listens.

[–] BirdObserver@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

I’m a pretty far left progressive and I get downvoted for saying this, but unfortunately I’ve seen firsthand the Russian propaganda (your vote doesn’t matter; both sides are terrible; protest vote to a third party; don’t vote for genocide) being basically indistinguishable from a lot of actual progressive social media posts. Of course, all these things are arguably or definitely true, depending on your circumstance, many things need to change ASAP, it feels like shit voting for someone who supports some horrible things, and yet following any of this advice (particularly in a swing state) supports Russian and conservative interests. It’s frustrating seeing a lot of friends posting things I technically agree with if we were discussing them privately, but post them in public social media posts which essentially make them mouthpieces for neocons who spread the exact same rhetoric to younger voters by appealing to their altruism. Most of them ARE still voting for Harris and understand the “lesser of two evils” thing, but who knows how many people they have convinced to not vote, or throw it away, by contributing to the “everything sucks” echo chamber.

Look, the train is heading full speed toward the edge of a cliff, but we can at least try to slow it down with what we have. We have the option of actually using the next four years to attempt to gradually unfuck things, or we can just give up and wait until things are even more fucked four years from now before getting angry again that the next person on whatever “the left” means then represents our interests even less than the previous candidate. Realistically, this is how it’s always going to be, because the majority of Americans don’t really care about this stuff until a few months before an election, but at the bare minimum it’s so important to make people realize we need to make the most out of even a small modicum of what we have that we can work with.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -3 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

And for the people that prefer to not live in cognitive dissonance?

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 weeks ago

Move to a different country?

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Well it's either vote for the candidate least likely to fuck the world up, or possibly don't get the option to vote at all for next election.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It is possible but do you believe it is a strong possibility, and if so does that make Thomas Crooks a martyr?

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

No but I think Trump could've ended up being martyred instead. Trump needs to lose on the ballot to discredit his ideals, otherwise the MAGA movement will have him as a symbol to make a more permanent political movement.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I voted third party and couldn't be happier with my choice. The genocide supporters have already become the fascist that they claim they're trying to protect you from.