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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world
 

Poor one out for all your LGBTQ+ homies in America, they're about to be hunted for sport.

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[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 149 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (43 children)

It really isn't leftists' fault, though. Trump easily won the popular vote and flipped georgia, pennsylvania, and wisconsin from their dem vote in 2020. Low voter turnout/voter suppression are the real culprits - along with dems failing to do almost any of the things that could've changed this outcome. Leftist memes did not lose dems the election. Voter apathy and the sheer popularity of fascism did.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 56 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Leftist memes did not lose dems the election. Voter apathy and the sheer popularity of fascism did.

I'm not necessarily attributing blame here, but I'm pretty sure that OP is suggesting that leftist memes helped lead to this apathy. Say what you will, Trump voters were excited for their candidate... somehow, despite the list of reasons not to being far too long to be listed here. But many on the left either were just lukewarm on her, just considered her the lesser of two evils, or were protest voting third party or abstaining for one reason or another, mostly over Palestine. And there were memes galore to make clear to everyone what the general mood was. It doesn't exactly inspire enthusiasm to those that need that a lot of enthusiasm to even bother (those people are frustrating, btw). I don't know how much it actually contributed to or propogated the apathy versus how much it just reflected the apathy already there, but a case could be made either way.

[–] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

They didn't lead to the apathy - they pointed out the existing apathy would cost Dems the election. It's like saying the person who said you need to wear a seatbelt caused the wreck.

You're exactly right about people being excited for Trump and lukewarm on Harris, but that's entirely on the Democrats for picking the platform and strategy that lost to Trump in 2016.

Harris had a notable and surprising lead when they announced Biden was out - then they changed nothing else. People didn't just not like the candidate, they didn't like the policies. They only changed the candidate and thought Trump was a big enough cudgel to bully people into voting even though that demonstrably doesn't work.

[–] Tyr_Raidho_Othala@reddthat.com 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

thought Trump was a big enough cudgel to bully people into voting even though that demonstrably doesn't work.

What kinda ass country is this?

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[–] Sooperstition@lemmy.one 9 points 3 weeks ago

Kamala isn’t on the left. The democrats aren’t on the left. This is a false dichotomy. They’re all capitalists. You can’t be on the left and be a capitalist, so leftists had many more disagreements with Kamala than Palestine.

Now, if you want to look at a great analysis of fascism and the false dichotomy in American politics, read Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (30 children)

Why do you think the turnout was so low? Millions of idiots were pressuring people to withhold their vote over Palestine in a colossal self-fuck. That is if you assume these people spreading that are really that stupid. Some were, but I think a large percentage were paid trolls. And their campaigning worked. Russia owns the United States now

[–] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 10 points 3 weeks ago (23 children)

Yeah there are only so many times Biden can go "hey isreal, you'd better stop that genocide or else!" While doing nothing whatsoever and even giving them the weapons to continue the genocide before people go "well they aren't going to do a damn thing about this"

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I distinctly remember hearing about unusually high voter turnout.

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 66 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Hey, chasing republican votes didn't work this time, but I'm sure it will next time. Definitely don't try appealing to the left.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you think we'll get primaries back? And not the fake ones we're use to.

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No way, the rabble might ask for someone that doesn't allow Nancy Pelosi to openly do insider trading.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Then the rabble wont show up for elections. No better way to drain the energy out of a voter base then to make their voices feel unheard.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

As long as progressives (and correspondingly, everybody) gets nothing, we're good 👍👍🤘✊

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Look at Michigan. Nobody was going to ignore Gaza into a victory. The memes and posts were warnings, not divisions. When it became clear she wanted to take a path close to Biden most of us even laid off because it was clear it was more harmful to keep going.

But it turns out that asking the relatives of genocide victims to vote for someone who won't commit to stopping it is not a good campaign strategy. The divide in Michigan is well within the 140,000 strong registered voters in the Arab community.

Take your fucking L like an adult.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 12 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Ok, but like at the end of the day, Michigan didn't fucking matter... it was over the minute Trump won PA . Besides that, look at the demographics and how they voted. Young people, those most likely to care about the Gazan genocide, split the vote by gender for Trump and Kamala. Specifically young white and Latino men overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Is that supposed to indicate that caring about the genocide in Gaza, something Trump has repeatedly talked about amping up, is something that the vast majority of the voting populace cared about? No. Kamala got 14 million less votes than Biden did in 2020, and I'm tired of this same gaza, black woman, etc spiel. It can't be chalked up to these things alone. The democrats ran an appointed candidate that never would have won a primary on her own, and got the consequences of that.

The blame is not on Biden, nor is it on Harris for not caring about Gaza. The blame lies squarely on democratic party for not figuring out a plan sooner, and the 14 million voters that appeared 4 years ago when it was trendy, but not now when the threat is most grim. Not to mention the fact that not voting for Kamala when her opponent has not only stated that he will allow Israel to continue, but will actually ramp up their genocide is just fucking stupidity, no two ways about it. Just as we tell Trump voters not to vote with their feelings and to listen to rational arguments, we must tell left-leaning voters the same.

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Damn I didn't know 50 leftist shitposters on the internet had so much power that they can flip an election. Maybe they should try to do what they ask if they want to win

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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I am so sick about the Gaza rhetoric and that’s why we lost. Bitch less then 10% of voters give a shit about Gaza. 40% of voters have major concerns about the economy. The next highest concern was immigration at 20%. Foreign policy was a measly 8% of concern for voters.

This goes for people blaming Jill Stein voters. Kamala got wrecked in this election. Even if you add all 3rd party votes to her she still loses.

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[–] febra@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

This is simply stupid. Harris didn't lose because of a few memes on her Gaza stance or third party. She lost because she's a relic of the same neoliberal system that has gotten us where we are. Not so say that Trump isn't. He is a neoliberal as well, and a fascist at that too. It's just that trumpists are more willing to go to the polls because of the cult-like party they're in. Democrats need to be pushed out the door with ideas other than ideas stolen from the right. Kamala Harris fumbled her entire campaign and it was obvious from the get go. I honestly do not understand how people thought she'll win. Hell, she even embraced the fucking Cheneys.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I honestly think it hurts worse now than it would have if he won in 2020, since we were seemingly so close to getting away from this dirtbag.

[–] Lyricism6055@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Well silver lining I guess is that he can't be elected again unless he gets it changed somehow

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[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe you could say this if the election was close. But the Gaza-Isreal voters are a drop in the bucket.

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Yep, non-voters were a much bigger problem for Harris

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[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

In other words, the people that refused to cater to the cultic cognitive dissonance are to blame and Democrats will learn nothing.

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Blaming indiviguals for not wanting to vote for a pro-genicide candidate works so well. Totally helped us win 2016 and 2024.

Here's the real issue. The Dems would rather be moderate Republicans than actual left-wing candidates. They spent all their time trying to appeal to modern White wingers and modern right-wing are still vote for people like Trump instead.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I like how the Republicans are now simply labeled Trump. It's so fitting!

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

And disabled folks, and veterans, and naturalized citizens...

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Trump enablers in leftist spaces are just agent provocateurs. There's always some infiltrators

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