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I love magic systems in games that feel impactful, and especially love them if the mechanic is unique and different.

What are your favorites?

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[–] TellumSiege@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Dragon's Dogma has to be near the top of the list for me...if not number one.

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can you describe what makes it great? My first thought was also Magicka, actually.

[–] Unebrion@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago
[–] TellumSiege@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I'm posting this again because I may have accidentally made a new comment instead of replying to you. I'm still working out the kbin kinks...

I haven't played Magicka so I can't compare (although reading the comments I feel like I have to play it now) but for me, what makes DD great is its smooth combat system. It's real-time action with varying casting times, so you need to be strategic about how you cast spells and when. Your character can switch classes pretty much whenever you want and you gain access to different spells the more you play certain classes. I could go on, but the last thing I'll say is that I've never played a better version of "magic Archer" in video games.

One massive downside to the game is its story; It's pretty much non-existent. But if you like awesome combat and party management it's one of the coolest games out there. And I haven't even mentioned the pawn system yet lol

[–] Unebrion@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm glad someone mentioned Dragon's dogma! I can't wait for the 2nd one to come out

[–] all-knight-party@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago

Wild times we live in. Never thought I'd wonder "will my PC be able to run Dragon's Dogma 2?"

[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In video games, I think it was Magicka wherein you could craft your own spells more-or-less on the fly.

In TTRPG, Mage: the Ascension, for much the same reason.

The issue for me is that I want to feel like I know Magic. I want to feel like a wizard, shaping the power of the cosmos to my will. If all I have is a collection of pre-scripted tricks... it really doesn't matter how many pre-scripted tricks I have, the feeling of creativity in spellcasting is lost.

[–] jontique@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Seconding Magicka (and the sequel).
The spells have hilarious effects especially when playing the game in co-op.

[–] RealM@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Magicka is amazing for short burts of coop fun.
However, at some point you find that one spell that is just too busted and trivializes everything, until the DLCs decide to chuck a billion enemies at you.
From a technical standpoint, it's also a bit rough around the edges and likes to crash to desktop.

Definitely a decent investment if you can pick it up on sale.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Magicka is very interesting, definitely one of the more unique spell-casting systems (and it feels like a real system). Unfortunately I'm not good at it, it's pretty fast-paced and I die so much. xD

[–] WadeTheWizard@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tyranny had a fun system where you could create custom spells based around combining a Core Sigil with Expression, Accent, and Enhancement Sigils to modify the spell's behavior. So you could have a Fire core sigil, combined with an AoE expression, fast cooldown accent, and a bleed enhancement. Of course the spells have a cost attached to them so you couldn't have your mages casting ridiculously powerful spells on rotation until you ran out of magic, but you could pop it off once or twice then fall back on weaker, faster spells. Unfortunately like with most flexible magic systems like this, mage characters are overpowered as hell, as long as you have your party tank camping a chokepoint.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh, that sounds interesting. I have Tyranny in my backlog, I should get to it sometime...

[–] dedale@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Tyranny is underrated. It was incredibly ambitious, with an actually dynamic story, and inventive story and gameplay elements.
It was very flawed, partially because of the engine I believe (it doesn't allow large maps at all), but it held so much promise!
I feel like the ideas it introduced have never been exploited fully.

[–] Skray@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's definitely worth a play.

Only real complaint is that the last half of the game feels a bit rushed and it seems to setup for a sequel that may or may not ever come.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yea, I read about that. Shades of KOTOR 2, apparently. xD

[–] Darkonion@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Morrowind was amazingly versatile. You could combine any effect, and they weren't any safety mechanisms. Want to jump 2000 ft in the air? Don't forget your feather fall spell. Hundreds of ways to kill or die amusingly. My old husk of a brain is having trouble remembering, but maybe some others have a fond memory of their best spell or enchanted item combos.

[–] Enantiophobe@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

AOE lockpick was always fun. Walk into a building, fire it off. Hey, no locked doors.

[–] TealKat@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One of my faves was reflect 100% on self for 1-2 seconds. It acted as a low cost, timed parry and was mega fun to fight mages with.

You can do the same with sanctuary, but any % of sanctuary is useful, and people really sleep on it imo.

ETA: Just remembered another old fave, very low damage fire damage on target, enchanted on something. Because there's no cooldown for the animation of casting from an enchanted item, it was basically a little flamethrower. I liked to put it on my gauntlet and feel like Boba Fett.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I loved the combos you could do in Dragon Age Origins. My favorite was creating a giant oil slick under enemies so they fell down, casting a fire spell, which set them AND the oil on fire, then summoning bees to attack them.

[–] Narrrz@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The spellmaking in oblivion was pretty great too, you could make multiple spells which applied weakness to magic and to specific elements in enemies, and since they were applied by different spells they would multiply each others' effects. Then you hit the enemy with a damaging spell and annihilate them.

I never saw it mentioned anywhere, but for me, hiring enemies with sufficiently powerful magic would ragdoll them, a bit like if you hit a corpse or a paralyzed enemy. So doing a 4-3-2-1 combo, 3 different spells that applied 100%weakness to magic and lightning, then hitting them with a lightning spell, would always send them flying. Sometimes it would be like they just vanished because the amount of damage applied by the spell threw them so forcefully.

[–] Laxaria@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Magicka. By far the most fun magic system I've played with.

So much death and funny.

[–] Strayce@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

I never got into it because fantasy isn't really my jam, but the Arx Fatalis system always struck me as interesting. You cast spells by drawing runes with mouse gestures.

[–] tox_solid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Outward definitely has one of the most unique magic systems I've seen.

[–] Madison_rogue@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Master of Magic was an old MSDOS/early Windows era turn-based strategy game similar to Civilization. I came across it in 1996, and I spent a ton of time playing it. There a few different types of magic that you farmed from natural areas. As with Civilization, you created alliances, did research, and expanded your power. Once you took over the world, there were portals to the dark world where you faced your true adversary, a lizard-like race.

Fun stuff...miss that game quite a lot.

[–] JBloodthorn@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1146370/Master_of_Magic_Classic/

It's on Steam for cheap. Even has the community patch available.

[–] Celox_nex@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

As a young kid at that time I enjoyed cheating in masters of magic and casting the Armageddon spell early to end the game. Honestly they game was an awesome alternate version of civilization for its time. Awesome memories playing it.

[–] Froyn@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Psst... Hey friend, I don't know why I typed that.
https://archive.org/details/msdos_mom
The Internet Archive (wonderful resource, please donate if you can) has revived many a game from my past. If you don't like that specific version, they've got others. DosBox is your friend here.

[–] Diskolikewhoa@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Noita. You can spend hours tweaking out and testing spell combinations. Make eggs summon more eggs that summon giant worms, turn a lighsaber into a bubbles held, disintegrate the moon. Feels like anything goes in that damn game

[–] DocSophie@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God, I wish Noita wasn't so impenetrable for me; from what I've played, it seems like the wackiest shit possible and I do love me some wack. Any recommendations on how to overcome the difficulty curve?

[–] JBloodthorn@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's a mod that lets you modify your wands anywhere, and another that respawns you at the last 'holy mountain' area you got to when you die (the rest area between levels). Playing with those mods will get you used to the spells and enemies you encounter, and let you experiment.

[–] Skray@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Gonna throw one of my own in here, I recently played an indie title, Mages of Mystralia which allows you to customize spells by adding runes that modify the spells behavior, and can modify elements in the late game.

It has essentially what is a board to build your spells where you have to place and chain the modifying runes by their connection points, which serves as the balancing, and part of the limiting factor of what can be combined and in what order.

Very interesting concept, but unfortunately the game is rather short, so you have very little time to experiment with the spells before the game ends, and while a sequel was announced, it seems the studio may have gone under during COVID.

[–] wagesj45@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

OK, hear me out. I suspect this isn't quite what you had in mind, but the NES classic Crystalis has interesting magic weapons and spells. The game is similar to Zelda as an action RPG. Your main weapons are collectable swords with different elemental infusions. Each one has three levels of power that you unlock by finding special items. Enemies throughout the game are often only susceptible to certain types of elemental damage. There are also map barriers that require you to destroy them using a specific elemental power, like knocking down a rock wall with wind, or creating an ice bridge.

Beyond the basic combat, you unlock lots of different magic spells. Some are familiar staples of the genre like Refresh which heals you and Paralysis that freezes enemies and puts NPCs to sleep. But it also has more unique spells like Telepathy that lets you get information from far away NPCs, and Change, which allows you to take the form of NPCs and enter areas and get different NPC interactions.

Plus, it is just a good game. I sank so many hours into it as a kid, and I recently finished the game (with cheats on this time, the game is Nintendo Hard™).

[–] Potatomache@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Divinity: Original Sin 2 has a pretty robust magic system. The chaining status effects are fun and there are multiple ways a player can turn a fight into their advantage.

[–] RedditExodus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah came here to say the same thing. The interactions between the different spell schools is incredible and they can also interact with the environment.

[–] mountainpeacock@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Dishonored series. Coolest system I've ever played - teleportation, possession, and some fascinating level design in the sequel where you jump between times with magic. So cool, in fact, that I've had dreams that I have the Dishonored powers.

[–] Narrrz@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

The system of support gems + interlinked sockets in PoE. It's drawn new back to the game multiple times, and i would love to incorporate something similar into a game of my own making someday.

[–] Sordid@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Two Worlds 2. You can create your own spells by combining different elements, effects, and modifiers. Among other things, this allows you to summon a rain of anvils and then form them into a vortex around yourself.

[–] Anomander@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

So a bit of a deep cut here, but there was a game from almost ten years ago that - as far as I can tell - flopped abysmally. I've never seen anyone else talk about it online, since I heard about it from a random Reddit comment buried deep at the bottom of an unrelated post.

Lichdom: Battlemage

It's jank. It's not a great game. But the magic system and the depth there made the repetitive enemies and dull environments completely worth it - at least in brief sprints.

Magic is 'runes' - or items. They drop in the world with various properties, and you can pick them up and assemble them into spells - you get, like, four bound on the UI. Base type is runes that classify the element of the spell, each having very unique mechanics. Fire does either big swingy crits or DOTs, ice is consistent damage or stored combo damage, electric is fast casting and AOE, etc. Then you get the physical shape of the spell, sometimes it's a beam, or a bolt, or a mortar, or a pool on the ground, etc. Then last up you get some added runes that will manipulate the mechanics of the element and shape you've chosen.

From there, though, all of your spells can interact with each other.

So for example, ice will freeze on enemies and only do a small amount of base damage directly, but then will "store" damage. Hitting with another ice spell pops the stored damage and stores another charge. Hitting with a different element magnifies that hit relative to the stored damage - so hitting with ice, then popping it with fire, does far more damage than just hitting with a second ice because the fire has a larger base hit. But you can also modify fire to also store a damage multiplier on the enemy - so if you set up a pool of fire that stores multiplier, then hit them with cold to add more stored damage and lock them on top of the pool where multiplier continues accumulating, then finally follow up with a different very high-damage fire spell ... the stored damage and multi kick in and Big Numbers Go Boom.

That is probably the simplest elemental interaction in the game, that's the basic gameplay loop combo. There's like a time element that will put the enemies in timed stasis, and you can shoot them while in stasis but it won't do anything - then when stasis pops it'll repeat every instance of damage applied X times per second for Y seconds, based on the numbers on the skill, and if you also use another skill it'll do the same damage to every other enemy within a radius ...

The shit you could do was wild.

It's a pity that the level design and enemies weren't really on the same level, so there wasn't a ton of motivation to fully explore the depths of the magic system - and then separately, the game also gave you tons of reasons to go play a different game.

[–] Nihilore@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

there was an awesome indie game i finished in about 15 hours called Magicmaker that had a really fun customisable magic system

[–] Harlan_Cloverseed@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TipRing@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Such a great game too.

[–] JBloodthorn@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Amulets & Armor is an old DOS game. It had a rune based system, where each spell was a combination of specific runes. Each class started with a limited set of runes, and more could be found in the levels. I loved trying all the combinations to find new spells.

[–] HyperCube@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Not the most innovative magic system, but casting spells in Blade and Sorcery is just so much fun.

[–] SyperStronkHero@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Soul Sacrifice had a system where you had to pick between 3 types of stats to build around which affects which spells you could use. After each mission you would have to pick between saving someone or sacrificing them which affects your stats.

If you chose power, you end up becoming a glass cannon with spells that drain your own hp
if you chose def, you end up with spells that supported you and the higher your hp the more damage you did. The trade off is your damage is mostly low.
if you chose neutral then you were pretty balanced.

All of these were affected also by the factions you were part of and which spells you have access to.

Because I'm a nerd and don't see it mentioned I'm gonna drop Psi, the Minecraft mod in here :D You get to create spells through a visual programming interface! Is a neat idea :3

[–] all-knight-party@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago

There's an indie rogue like wizard game called Fictorum that I really enjoy. It can be a little indie jank but you really feel like some kind of badass wizard jumping around throwing meteors and completely blowing apart houses and enemy towers with physics.

There are a ton of different kinds of customizable spells like other games in this thread, but its unique point is that you can add runes that allow you to shape magic. When you cast and hold you can move the mouse in a direction to activate one of your runes, sometimes it might multiply your projectiles, or make them larger, or make them explosive. Being able to modify the spells on the fly in combat is something closer to Magicka's freedom of spell creation, though not quite as crazily variable.

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