VLemmy Chat

I doubt anyone is expecting the owners of vlemmy to put themselves in legal hot water. +1.

Seems reasonable and the transparency is excellent.

Generally I like the idea of being as open as possible, but I'm ok with this. I remember looking at the list of the largest instances a couple days ago and I saw burggit on there and their pitch to why people should join them is the same reason you're defederating with them, so I don't think there's anything there I'd want to see anyway

Admin of Burggit here, thanks for approving me. We just wanted to say thank you! This is by far the most respectful defederation we have had and your intention to refederate once mod tools are better, so you can block loli/shota/cub communities specifically, goes above and beyond. It's clear this decision was made not because of your personal feelings on the matter, but entirely due to the legality of the situation in the location you are based. We look forward to seeing posts from this instance in the future, once mod tools improve. If you ever need anything, let us know, we will be glad to help in any way we can. :3

I am among the ones that don't want defederations whatsoever but the reasoning behind this choice is not arguable, the law is the law.

Thanks for the transparency and keep up the good work 👍🏻

Love the transparency of the decision and respect it.

When material is illegal, I don’t mind deferderating.

I joined vlemmy cause it felt above drama/politics between the bigger instances. I don’t mind removing smaller instances which are highly questionable (i understand if I’m not in the majority)

In addition to CSAM being illegal almost everywhere, it is also objectively morally abhorrent and should be shunned. There is no other possible stance to take.

I understand this decision and support it but can you really get in trouble for something like this? Does this mean you need to basically review every community to make sure it follows Irish law??

On my instance, if I add that domain to "blocked instances" is that the same as defederating?

Thanks for the notice and actions taken. Mostly new user here and when I chose this community while it was primarily as a starting point, a big bonus for me was the transparency and minimalism when making decisions. Kinda like a doctor, "don't do more harm than strictly necessary". The fact that you are doing what current tooling allows you to do and are willing to re-evaluate the issue as the tooling improves, all while placing the community first, for me it feels I chose right.

That's perfectly reasonable to me.

Thank you very much!

It's unfortunate to have to go back on a community decision, but it's more important to keep yourself legally in the clear. Thanks for the transparency, I definitely made the right choice with this instance.

Thanks for your transparency about this and detailed explanation of the reasons

I support this despite joining because of the non block stance. It is unrealistic to not defederate from anyone (also imagine if there was an instance full of bots just spamming every threat and dm's)

But the point is that as long as the blocked are the ones that are strictly necessary, and the decision is properly communicated, then I'm fine with it even if it's not a temporary defederation like this one.

I’m totally fine with this. If people want to risk illegal activities they can just make an account there

Thanks for the transparency! It honestly is refreshing.

Quick poll. Does anyone have a problem with vlemmy defederating from an instance which condones/promotes/allows child pornography as long as those bans have been vetted, considered and voted into practice by management?

While this time it is something reasonable I cannot help but wonder what will happen if tomorrow a new Irish law say that there's no more freedom of speech or that say something is illegal, would that end the freedom of speech of most federations?