Stuff like this makes me think we’re witnessing so many crimes that we don’t have a names for yet.
this post was submitted on 13 Jan 2024
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You wouldn't download a person!
Some might, I think we’re coming up on an interesting ethical impasse with this tech
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Eh, I think this is just intellectual property right infringement with a side of being an insensitive dumbass and not really that new. Like, how is this any different than someone dressing up in a George Carlin costume and doing their George Carlin impression for an hour? Shouldn't be using George Carlin's name to sell your stuff, but it's not like anyone got enslaved or he dug up Carlin's corpse or anything.
e; I'm not sure if this detail changes anything, but did the AI write these jokes or just do the voiceover work? I was under the impression that it just did the voice and another human wrote the material
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I don't care about the technology. I don't even care if it's funny. It's in terrible taste.
If you have a funny standup set, do your routine yourself. If you want funny topical comedy, there are literally dozens of comedians alive today you can watch right now on multiple streaming services and YouTube.
There is no reason to do this other than to be tasteless.
I don't believe in blasphemy, but if I did, putting words in the mouth of an incredibly insightful genius and presenting it as his words would be blasphemy.
If Carlin himself approved it before dying, I might listen to it. But nope. You said it yourself. Plenty of living talent right now.
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There is no reason to do this other than to be tasteless.
Greed?
I'd call greed being tasteless, but I guess we could count it as a second reason.
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I don't understand why anyone who was a fan of George Carlin would ever do this... It seems like something someone who didn't like Carlin would do. What was the point?
What was the point?
Money.
Some also-ran hacks who aren't fit to be in the same room as Carlin are using him to make a name for themselves and drive views to their bullshit channel.
It is grift, pure and simple.
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Boy though I would love to hear Carlin's opinion on all this AI shit. I think he would get a perverse kick out of seeing himself poorly re-created in such a manner, but I also think he would tear to shreds the kind of people who think it's a good idea to use it like this.
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Carlin-McCall said the channel never reached out to the family or asked for permission to use her father's likeness.
I smell a lawsuit incoming.
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Interesting concept. I watched the first 10 minutes or so. The video goes to great lengths to clearly describe that this is neither Carlin's voice or jokes. The material is roughly George Carlin-ish, but not great. The AI voice is not quite believable either.
It's not really for me, and also not a crime in my view. Just a weird thing someone did.
Honestly it came off on the level of a pretty decent impressionist. Not quite on Carlin's level, but evocative enough of his patter and sensibility to make me wish it was the real thing, and there were moments in it where I could almost pretend that it was.
Man, I miss Carlin.
It seemed spot-on to me. I'd love to see some double-blind tests done with this, perhaps take an existing Carlin recording and give the AI the transcript to impersonate from. Then let people pick which is which without knowing ahead of time.
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Standup comedy is meant to be relatable, the best standup material makes fun of the writer's real experiences and/or common experiences of the audience. This is just my hot take, but I think an AI writing standup comedy is and always will be completely soulless because the AI has never experienced anything and is just putting words together that it doesn't even know the significance of, and is doing so purely based on the statistics of how real human standup uses those words. Even with AI acting out standup written by humans, they still don't understand what they're saying and the emotions they supposedly show are still based on statistics. If you find AI standup funny, you have that right, but I personally don't and that's just me.
I think this applies to all forms of art.
I've long held this idea of art vs decoration.
For example, my kitchen table has turned legs with a series of convex and concave details along their length. This is not art, it is decoration. It's unnecessary and merely added a few lengthy steps to the manufacture of the table, but it's there to look nice. and I think AI can manage that.
I have on my walls a series of lithographs from an artist by the name of Ed Berger, who spent the majority of his career as a civil engineer in Washington DC before retiring to North Carolina to persue his art...which took the form of a series of rural scenes of old and dilapidated homes and farm buildings/equipment in a style I've taken to calling "It was dreary when it was new, and NOW look at it." I'm not sure a computer can create something that says "100 years ago was completely miserable, which is why we abandoned it so thoroughly" as viscerally ol' Ed did. That's art.
Carlin-McCall said the channel never reached out to the family or asked for permission to use her father’s likeness.
Welcome to the world of posthumous digital slavery!
When a person dies, anyone can do what ever they want with their image and life's work.
Calling this "slavery" is ridiculously overly-emotive. You can't enslave a dead person.
You can’t enslave a dead person.
Give the investor class time.
If we were able to digitize the mind of George Carlin, and then we forced that digital mind to write and perform new standup material or be tortured, that would be enslavement of a dead person, and yeah, that sounds like something financiers would love
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Think of how stupid the average AI is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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I just realized Stephen Colbert doesn't own the rights to himself, so there could be that trainwreck soon as well.
We really need stronger restrictions on AI usage.
Only for corporate use. Leave the people doing fun non profit parody things alone. Its the people doing this...or stealing someones likenesses to sell a product that need to be regulated
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this is what I thought about the post mortem carrie fisher scene as well. It feels ghoulish.
The Carlin script is clearly written by people as there's phrases he liked to use to describe power that simply weren't used but it did capture his rhythm pretty well. My guess is they fed the AI with jokes they wrote and had it rewrite them in his style
I watched it and it was pretty good. Yeah, it's not the same as the real George Carlin but a few of them certainly got be chuckling and resembled reusing his past work in today's context. The video did start off prefacing that this was an AI and not truly George Carlin so nobody would be fooled that it's not actually him.
It doesn't sound at all like him and the laugh track is just the insult cherry on top.
I was thinking it kinda did, but kinda didn’t, and I couldn’t put my finger on why. Someone in another post nailed it for me. Whoever made this used all of George’s stand up specials to train the AI on his voice and cadence, so George of course sounded young in his early work and old in the later ones. The AI mixed that together, so you get a voice that’s not quite his younger voice and not quite his older voice either. That made perfect sense to me why it sounds like George, but still a little off.
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