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And when they perform raids, they should be required to shout "This is a F.A.C.T. jack"! Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

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[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Counterpoint: Neither of those organizations should exist at all.

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Yea, they take up too much funding that could be used for other orgs!

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 29 points 10 months ago

....wait a minute

[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

hah, I read that as "other drugs" and was confused to your point.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Cops are always power tripping. Would be good to have less law junkies.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yea, useful ones like medicare and social services, right?! ... right..?

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Woah there buddy, if you want housing, food and healthcare, go get incarcerated like everyone else.

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[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Cannabis should be regulated by the FDA like any other vegetable. I should be able to buy weed at the farmer's market. Nobody says "oh you can only have two and a half ounces of kale at your house", "oh you can only grow so many tomatoes", "oh out of state residents can't buy more than a 12 pack"

[–] BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Waaait if I am a US resident and go accross a state line im not allowed to buy a 30 pack of beer? Crossing a country border doesn't even prevent that.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

But different areas do have weird restrictions on what you can buy and when. I live in Massachusetts so am familiar with blue laws, but …

On a trip to Pennsylvania a year or two ago, I had some microbrews I really liked and wanted to stock up from the local businesses, but apparently Pennsylvania law limits me to two six packs? wtf? Maybe I’m an edge case driving through and wanting to buy some for the next several weeks or parties but wtf

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[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

That's what I'm saying, nobody does that because it would be insane. But an Iowa resident coming to Illinois can only get 15 grams of weed at a licensed adult use dispensary. Opposed to an Illinois resident who can get 30.

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[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can't do that with tobacco, why allow it with cannabis?

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

In fairness, I think I should be able to get tobacco at the farmer's market too. But regardless of my personal feelings, I can buy as many smokes as I want in Iowa and they're like half the price of Illinois smokes.

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I knew a guy a long time ago who said "Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should not be a branch of the government. It should be a convenience store."

Not that I agreed with him, but it was an amusing and unexpected take.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Sure thing that "legalized everywhere" you talk about:

[–] explodicle@local106.com 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

C'mon Europe you're supposed to be cool

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For real, I thought the French loved smoking

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[–] franklin@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

They mentioned the ATF. It was explicitly US centric and while a bit hyperbolic it is becoming more common there.

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[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Map no longer accurate, Minnesota legalized recreational this part year 😁

Also here in belgium, it is only decriminalized up to 3g.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Brazillian medical exception needs a big asterisk. You can get medical permits but you cannot grow and they are not legal distribution neither. You basically have to start growing illegally, then going to the police department close to you with a lawyer signed document saying that you are growing against the law to be able to fulfill the legally medical judge permit. If you're in condition to do that, that mean you have enough money that police are not going to bother you anyways because they only harass poor and black people.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yea, I have not done any quality control on the image. However the point was just to point out that weed is not legal almost everywhere, contrary to the post title. There are probably lots of inaccuracies, though the main point still stands.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I get you. I just wanted to clarify, in case people thinks Brazil is farther on marihuana laws that actually is.

[–] Fallenwout@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

America is not everywhere. At least mention the country where your question applies to instead of thinking you're the center of the internet. Before we try to find a connection between Automatic Transmission Fluid and Data Encryption Algorithm .

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

They make a North American event and call it the World Series. Hence North America is the whole world. QED.

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[–] TheActualDevil@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

While it doesn't work as well with or as your joke, the ATF is actually now the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. So we need to add the E as well and we can spell FACET, which is less fun. Or use M for Marijuana and spell FMEAT.

[–] key@lemmy.keychat.org 7 points 10 months ago

Combine Weed and Tobacco into "Smoking" and make it SAFE

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Where is the C coming from? Firearms, Alcohol, C, Explosives, Tobacco?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Or MEFAT and lobby to take over FDA

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 11 points 10 months ago

Its still illegal at a federal level and I don't see that changing any time soon. You can't smoke your pot and work for the government.

[–] irish_link@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately it still falls under schedule 1. Even if states legalize it the federal government still considers it the same danger as heroin.

Don’t get me wrong. It shouldn’t be but until we get a federal law changing that then it’s still going to fall under DEA.

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

And unfortunately, the scheduling is determined by none other than the DEA itself. So I wouldn't hold my breath on them forfeiting funding and purview over of anything as trivial as medical research or the will of the people. At least not easily or without some other political quid pro quo.

[–] w2tpmf@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

DEA added it by an order from the AG under Nixon.

Biden could get it removed the same way if he wanted to actually hold up on his campaign promise.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Sounds like a good time to withhold funding ☺️

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[–] Moira_Mayhem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago

If you've ever had to deal with the ATF you know why this is a magnificently terrible idea.

FDA all the way.

[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fun fact, while working "the season" in NorCal before it was legalized (when it was still crazy lucrative to do so), the ATF and CAMP were the ones raiding the farms, not the DEA.

[–] Moira_Mayhem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago

Mainly because of the lack of ATF oversight and their FUCKING MASSIVE operations budget.

If people really understood what they have done in the past, that agency would be dissolved overnight.

[–] Bridger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Speaking of HHS (from NYT):

Marijuana is neither as risky nor as prone to abuse as other tightly controlled substances and has potential medical benefits, and therefore should be removed from the nation’s most restrictive category of drugs, federal scientists have concluded.

The recommendations are contained in a 250-page scientific review provided to Matthew Zorn, a Texas lawyer who sued Health and Human Services officials for its release and published it online on Friday night. An H.H.S. official confirmed the authenticity of the document.

But sadly

Last month, Michael D. Miller, a Justice Department official, defended the D.E.A.’s prerogative in making the final decision on the administration’s position.

“D.E.A. has the final authority to schedule, reschedule, or deschedule a drug under the Controlled Substances Act, after considering the relevant statutory and regulatory criteria and H.H.S.’s scientific and medical evaluation,” he wrote in a letter to Representative Earl Blumenauer, an Oregon Democrat who has pushed the D.E.A. to reconsider marijuana.

I see no motivation for the DEA to voluntarily forfeit power and money just because it's the right thing to do. Also think of career DEA guys' pride and ego. They are not going to easily admit they've been wrong and that their rhetoric has been overheated for the past 50 years.

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[–] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't even understand why those 3 things are together in the first place. None of those things go together in any kind of way I can think of that there would be an organization dedicated to them.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Things that are legal for personal use but heavily restricted

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