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[–] Dankry@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I heard about this earlier but re-reading this headline made me smile all over again. I will simply never get tired of hearing about Verizon failing.

[–] jetsetdorito@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like they have so many failed ventures.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

They are just trying to emulate Google.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Kind of sad really. A large bureaucracy buys a company to bring some innovation internally, or capitalize on a market trend. But the internal bureaucracy and politics overwhelmed the new organization, so it can no longer compete externally and internally it has no backers. And fails.

I think it's a mark of a good organization if they can onboard an external company, and that company stays viable long-term.

[–] nikt@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A while back, I (with a few others) built and sold an innovative tech company to a large “enterprise”. What you’re describing is exactly why they bought us and how things played out post acquisition. I’ve since left, but the thing we built is now in shambles, buried and suffocated by bureaucracy and institutional ineptitude. The parent company has learned nothing, continues to keep buying smaller tech companies, and can’t seem to figure out why things always turn to shit.

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Large organizations (no matter the sector) are almost always just coasting on momentum, there's no innovation possible.

Even fairly small companies quickly develop such a gigantic administration overhead, that they quickly turn to stone.

This is the other side of the bullshit jobs book.

[–] RoyalEngineering@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Red Hat comes to mind for me. Will IBM kill it over time? We shall see.

[–] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interestingly we’ve been using blue jeans at red hat for years!

[–] RoyalEngineering@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bleh good riddance. Blue Jeans was the worst out of all video conferencing apps.

[–] Baylahoo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

I find it pretty funny because I'm relatively informed on corporate voice conferencing as an employee and never even heard of blue jeans. I don't think this ever even had a chance.

[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is there anything that Verizon can do well?

[–] Dankry@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They're pretty good at arbitrarily raising prices.

[–] hemmes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

There top of their class in missing credits and charging arbitrary fees.

[–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They all arbitrarily raise prices. The most recent lawsuit with AT&T was a 2 dollar increase to customers bills that they got sued for and lost. What was the resolution? They paid far less than they made.

It's not just Verizon my friend.

[–] gfnation@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like FIOS. Between that or spectrum I'll take Verizon every time

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

FiOS has been my favorite ISP because it’s just a hole in the wall the internet comes out of, and I can use my own hardware and they don’t seem to care if I run a server.

The bar is pretty low but at least they hit it.

[–] aksdb@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah one of those endeavours where an executive thought "well, it can't be that hard. We will do it better and cheaper and reap the profits". Just to be hit with reality.

[–] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

Have worked with many entrepreneurs. That is exactly how sone of them think. No respect for other‘s inventions, everything must be done right away and nobody is smarter than them.

[–] cyd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

To be fair, that's kinda how Zoom came about...

[–] ringwraithfish@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Wasn't the CEO of Zoom a high level engineer for Cisco? I believe it was one of those situations where the executives weren't listening to where he thought the WebEx platform should focus on development and he thought "Fuck it, I'll do it myself"

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But the difference is that zoom was usable. I used blue jeans like twice early in the pandemic, and it was just an annoyance to use at the best of times. Can't imagine what it would have been like to actually have to use that day to day...

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

To add to your point, I originally used GoToMeeting for my business, but had to switch to Zoom because everyone knew how to use it because of the pandemic.

[–] Desistance@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Verizon fails at almost everything not a telecom.

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If its not telecomm they cant do it right. Remember them owning Yahoo, or perhaps Go90 and how fantastic those turned out??? Yeah...

[–] mr_tyler_durden@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, people think they are competently handling telecommunications?

That’s like saying ISPs are doing a good job…

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 3 points 1 year ago

Fair enough.

[–] ChapolinColoradoNZ@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know, Skype still works fine and it's free...

[–] nakal@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Or Jitsi Meet. And it's not only free, but it can be run be everyone.

[–] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For company all-hands with hundreds or thousands of people?

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It struggles trying to get 4 people into a group call.

[–] ChapolinColoradoNZ@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does sarcasm require a /s to make it as explicit as possible?

Btw, I'd go bigbluebutton myself but hey, who am I, right?

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol no sarcasm on my side. I was speaking from past experience with Skype. It didn’t handle having multiple people in a group call for a low-frequency radio show I was the engineer on years ago. We randomly had issues with it, but maybe that was limited to the Mac version.

What is bigbluebutton?

[–] AndreaHill@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am seeing a lot of, "I hate Verizon." Comments, you guys don't know a lot about the telecom industry and AT&T's rise and failure.

Look up the Baby Bells and the crack down on AT&T. Listen to a couple of security podcasts and learn about AT&T charging users 700 dollars and instead of looking into the bill mishap they were blaming the users.

Listen to the issues T-Mobile has with security.

Is Verizon better in every way? No. Is every other company better because Verizon is better. Also, no.

[–] Static_Rocket@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We do not defend companies in these parts. If everyone's bad then everyone's bad. There shouldn't need to be a "relative to x, y isn't that bad."

[–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The comments very much say otherwise. Additionally, I am not defending Verizon.

I am aware Lemmy users don't defend companies.