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I'm 32, I remember using the internet before google was a thing, discovering flashy websites, hanging out on all kinds of internet forums and chatrooms, ebaums world, MySpace, new grounds... I rember when YouTube was just starting off and it was exploding with all kinds of content.

I joined Facebook in 2005, I remember when it was the talk of the town, it used to actually kind of be decent, all the content was from actual real world peers.

I remember when pages became a thing, and you could like certain topics, and then eventually it unfolded into something enterely different, I remember when it became New Facebook, and there became a chatbar. And then eventually it became a cespool of garbage.

I remember when reddit was at it's prime, I discovered it in 2011, I spent hours scrolling and engaging in discussion. The content was always new and original, every day on Reddit my mind got blown by something, this is before all the algorithms, and when upvotes and down votes actually dictated where your post would be jn the feed. You could litterally refresh your page and watch your vote counts.

Since then I've watched it change, I could always tell something felt off about it over the past few years.

Everytime I would google something on the net on my phone and click a Reddit link, I would be prompted to install the app. I tried it and it was shit. Once upon a time I could just open Reddit is Fun through the browser. Reddit made it impossible to do that.

Since discovering this place a few weeks ago now, I have been hit with a familiar feeling, and that is I am actually enjoying my time here as much as I did on Reddit in the early 2010s.

The communities are more grounded, there is no bot activity, my big long posts aren't deleted after posting them due to shitty rules.

I like how it feels free, and everyone agrees to just follow the rules of the community and if the post isn't quite fitting, people can vote on that, as it should be.

Thank you all for restoring something that was once great, I really thought there was no chance in hell people would get away from those platforms. I always told people we need a new website, a new Reddit, and I guess this is it.

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[–] coolfission@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

One of my favorite features of Lemmy is that there's an actual functional downvote button. So many platforms nowadays are removing the downvote button or straight up making it useless. I remember when YouTube used to have a proper downvote button and it made it so easy to tell when a vid was not good or clickbait. Even on Reddit, the downvote button just changes the total score but it doesn't actually show the number of downvotes. Being able to see the actual number of upvotes/downvotes is such a nice thing to see coming back.

[–] instamat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

One of the many benefits of not having functionality tied to profit margins and advertiser ingratiation

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[–] Jessica@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Negative people are always saying we'll never see anything like the early internet again with how everything is owned by corporations, but this last week on Lemmy has come damn close for me! Time to go be nostalgic about asking A/S/L in AIM chatrooms while watching flash animations on https://joecartoon.com/ eh @CoffeeBlood91@lemmy.ca?

(I can't believe that site is still running!)

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[–] Spacebar@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I'm 51. I started with BBS's, compuworld, Usenet and MUD telnet screens. I've seen access to the internet and pre internet go from 1,400 baud modems to 56,000 modems to the 5G internet access we have today.

To me, the fedeverse feels like a modern technology in development without corporations ruinous hands in it.

I really hope the corporate hold on social media is breaking, because they eventually ruined everything they touched in order to squeeze every last dollar out of it.

[–] Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is starting to feel like an iteration of BBSβ€” edit: I say bbs, but really I mean Usenet. I guess this is like bbs with better threading and organization, and you login to your local mirror to see what’s new. I like it, just need to get my head around it.

[–] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Wow, 14k4 modems, those were great.. after messing about with 300 and 1200 baud modems. (Never got the 300/73 one to work)

I live how the fediverse is more like the old bbs system, federative and not high-jacked by greedy corps. Maybe we're returning to the core of public internet, before the masses swamped in.

BTW I'll turn 51 in less then 2 months. ;) (gramps remembers... 🀣)

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[–] tallwookie@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

an accurate summation of my thoughts on the matter as well - the active communities (not the ones that get created because they were big on reddit but have no content here) are the ones I like - there's intriguing posts, insightful comments, actual conversation instead of toxic arguing.

lemmy is like a breath of fresh air.

[–] Emanresu@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm looking forwards to people getting into their grooves on lemmy. So far it seems like most people are just copying the good and bad parts from reddit without thinking. Downside is that its not exactly easy to start unique communities on demand.

[–] tallwookie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah - it's really easy to create a community but extremely difficult to foster it and make it grow - even if you're just dumping loads of content into it on a daily basis, if there's no interaction then it's... not a waste of time, but perhaps next closest thing.

I havent managed to find something that I'm passionate about that doesnt already exist, so I just contribute to those communities that I can, as I find them.

[–] Emanresu@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Aye, that's why I'm trying to focus on replying more than just creating my own. Id end up just adding to the spam. The "bug" of instant updating when trying to sort by new is a bit awkward lol

It's just a matter of time till someone has their eureka moment.

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[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guess what, I actually read the whole thing. (:

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[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ll further date myself… we all had our own Geocities webpage back in 2000/2001…

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[–] AskThinkingTim@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying Lemmy is going backwards, but I prefer this forum vibe I am experiencing here with people expressing their opinions and helping each other.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is my hope that we move past the era of Reddit's postmodern cynicism of powermods and personalized ad algorithms and tired attempt to try to sell things into an era of New Sincerity.

I hope we are witnessing the birth of the real Web 3.0 here. Blockchain being Web 3.0 was always a lie, because internet contents are ultimately interaction between of people, and not things or money.

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[–] kwot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It sure is exciting being in a new place after so long tbh. Was definitely feeling the stagnation before.

[–] kabukimeow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

discovering flashy websites

To anyone interested in this, there's a thing called neocities.org

[–] menemen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It does have a little early yahoo groups&chat vibe here, doesn't it? Let's just pay attention we keep the toxic and predatory stuff away that killed that.

[–] dustedhands@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really missed the early internet charoom vibes. Every day you discovered something new, every person with a random handle felt like a human connection.

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[–] UpChuck@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is the better internet.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Remember when Facebook released a β€œfriends and family update” that they said would take the site back closer to connecting you with real people? That was the moment they finally died. The fact that they had drifted from that showed they were actually pursuing something else the whole time. And the update barely made a difference, but they patted themselves on the back anyway and bragged that it even cost them some revenue but they felt it was right for users πŸ˜–

[–] ghariksforge@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The internet was taken over by wall street. The fediverse is a revolt against that.

[–] gingerwolfie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I have to say it does feel pretty cool and like the good old days. No big corporations at the moment, just people figuring stuff out and doing their own thing. I'm liking this a lot

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Remember, what people like of the internet is engaging with other people. Content is secondary, outrage is clickbait to monetize ads. What we like aboud platforms is not the tech, but other humans.

[–] redsky@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good conversations on kbin, Lemmy, Squabbles, et al. I think there's a new feeling of solidarity and ownership with these new (to some of us) forums. I'm here for it.

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[–] Sarsaparilla@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm also noticing a satisfying lack of the /s tag.

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[–] iNeedScissors67@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

On Reddit I always felt like a raindrop in an ocean. I'm just one of way too many, and very little of what I wrote was ever seen or engaged with. That was discouraging at times, especially when I put plenty of thought or research into my reply, only for it to have no engagement while typical low-effort replies like "this!" Or "I'm a simple person I see x I updoot" always rise to the top. It was starting to feel like all the other social media I've quit over the years, and I was originally there because it felt like a forum, not social media. I'm on kbin now and I'm getting the feeling I got from posting on forums like Playstation Underground when I was younger. I even recognize user avatars across different threads and magazines/communities, which definitely reminds me of forums of old. Who knows what it will become but the federated nature of it means it can feel as big or small as I want it to, which is what is keeping me invested.

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[–] TGRush@forum.fail 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well then, welcome to the Fediverse I guess :P

Get comfy, as Kbin and Lemmy aren't the only services part of the Fediverse. There's also Microblogging services like Mastodon, YouTube-like Video sharing through Peertube and even self-hosted streaming with OwnCast.

There's statistics on https://fedidb.org, on which there's also a list of instances/servers on all kinds of topics using all kinds of software.

We ain't corporate, we're a community.

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[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Internet forums that were based on phpBB and other popular scripts were one of the best parts of the internet that Reddit and Facebook shamelessly killed with the applause of the netizens. Centralization of those forums was a huge regression and it felt like we went to a point that was worse than Web 1.0. I feel like Lemmy is a return of that forum culture that made the internet great.

[–] Kutsuya@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Man this takes me back... I also remember the early days of the internet, browsing it on my dad's computer. I miss these dumb times.

[–] peyotecosmico@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Funny how it feels like the old forums isn't it?

I'm glad we found this place.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

That's kinda why I joined Reddit originally. I couldn't really work with platforms like Twitter or Facebook that are sort of about "me". I just aren't that egocentric. I don't want to post daily shit about my life, and I also don't really have an interest in reading about private daily lives of others. Reddit always felt like a classical forum, but adapted to have more of a constantly moving content. You were part of a computer / tech forum? Now you'd join some subreddits about this topic and be informed while also able to partake in discussions about it. Same for everything else.

I never wanted all that drama from the extremistic sides (remember T_D dominating /r/all through vote manipulation? Or "uncensored news"?), I never wanted the sluggish & bloated redesign with its thousands of awards and distracting animations, I never wanted mods & admins / AEO to turn abusive and / or completely incompetent (literally all my bans have been within the past few years, which was the minority of all my total Reddit time). And now they think they can dictate the content that once made them great & brought them to the point where they are now. If they cannot find a way to work with the users, then the users should stop working for them. Simple as that. Because in the end it's the user base that made the platform great and filled it with content.

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[–] DVD@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Definitely. This place is a (much needed) step back to what the internet used to be. Somewhere between 15-20 years ago and now, the online growth experienced obviously went in a wrong direction. I'm glad these huge social media conglomerations were a testing ground for us to discover how the web should not work, and Lemmy is a step in the right direction.

[–] james@lemmy.jamesj999.co.uk 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] masires@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I posted a toot on Mastodon back in November during the whole Twitter fiasco saying how Mastodon in 2022 felt like Twitter did circa 2010. Same feeling for Lemmy / Kbin!

You nailed just about everything that I've been enjoying about Lemmy, too!

To me, it's definitely reminiscent of reddit circa 2011-2012. There aren't any bots yet, so discussions feel more grounded; and it has a similar air of wonder to it, like people are still excited for both what the community is and what it can be.

...Except for the sorting. Sorting by Subscribed or Local feel reddit-ish, with the former being a self-curated feed and the latter being a broader discovery feed of whatever going on in your chosen instance. Sorting by All, though, feels a bit like stepping back to my old high-school 4chan days, but with less sharpies in buttholes.

[–] alm42@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You moved me.

[–] Labotomized@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It’s such a nice breath of fresh air that I really didn’t know I needed. But now, looking back, it’s so obvious things weren’t the way they should be. And here, in the fediverse, things feel like they are exactly how they should be! It’s so nice!

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