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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Someone should set a new "shitamericanssay"

[–] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

And a new USDefaultism while we're at it.

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[–] Peeko@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Having the freezing point of water be at 0 instead of 32 just makes infinitely more sense.

[–] _ak@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Celsius is also kinda arbitrary, but at least it sets its 0 and 100 to very fundamental, observable temperatures, namely the points where the state of matter of water changes. There are more constraints to it of course, in particular atmospheric pressure, and the modern definition of Celsius is actually purely based on Kelvin (which in turn uses the Boltzmann constant), but as long as you're not high up in the Andes, everybody can observe a pretty good approximation of it.

Its prevalence is also the outcome of a long process of many different scales. In 19th century Europe, before Celsius completely took over, Réaumur was also very popular. It set 0° at the freezing point of water and the boiling point at 80° under normal atmospheric conditions. Thinking about it, it's quite wonky to do that, but at least it's easy to convert to and from Celsius. On the other hand, the similarity in temperatures makes it slightly harder for plausibility checks.

I ran into this when researching the history of some stuff and the specific scale was not always included, but the temperatures in the particular context both made sense as Celsius and Réaumur. That's when you then have start digging through a whole early 19th century 500 page book printed in a German Gothic font just to see whether the specific temperature scale is mentioned anywhere.

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[–] CisopSixpence@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I live in the United States and although I grew up here using Fahrenheit, I switched to Celsius almost 10 years ago. Part of my reason for switching was the rest of the world was using Celsius and every time they would mention the temperature, I had no clue if that was very hot, or just right and kept having to convert, so since there were not that many countries that used Fahrenheit, I switched. I still know what the comfortable range is in Fahrenheit, but now I also know in Celsius as I use it every day. Also, I no longer appear to be an old curmudgeon that is resistant to using a system the rest of the world already uses.

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[–] roulettebreaker@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I had once heard described that fahrenheit's best feature is that you can go "oh, 1-100, 'sheesh, that's really cold!' to 'hoof, that's pretty hot!'" and yeah, while I was in the US where most temperatures (RIP Florida) change all the time, that sure was convenient.

However, living in a country that always stays in the 80-100 range, the 'oh fuck, the water's freezing' to 'oh fuck, the heat death of the sun is upon us' range is a MUCH more useful scale to knowing if we've been struck by some sort of apocalyptic event today

[–] moneygrowsontrees@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I like to refer to them as Freedom units and Communist units (in jest, obviously). I will say, though, that Fahrenheit feels like a more precise scale for measuring temperature even if the units are goofy.

[–] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't get the precision argument. It really doesn't matter for personal use because you wouldn't feel the difference anyways and if you really needed it to be as precise as possible (for... I don't know, science) you'd use decimals. And if you're sciencing, you'd use the system that allows easy conversion, which is metric.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

I'm scared to ask now if Fahrenheit has decimals or if it's like 74 and one eighth degrees.

[–] kilmister@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What additional arguments besides personal experience would you give to back this precision claim?

Temperature scales are arbitrary by nature, and the criteria behind their definition can be useful or not. Fahrenheit's isn't that much useful compared to Celsius' or Kelvin's.

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[–] CynAq@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As someone who moved to the US later in life, I learned to use fahrenheit because there's no way to talk to anyone about the weather or cooking otherwise.

If you need to do the same one day, don't bother trying to convert in your head. Just learn the numbers conversationally. Familiarize yourself with how the weather feels with the number the weather app shows.

I can't convert at all but I can use both C and F in conversation because one rarely needs exact numbers anyway. You learn the ballparks pretty quick.

[–] sisyphean@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you, this is a a great idea! I've found these common temperatures online, in case anyone wants to learn them:

Description Celsius (°C) Fahrenheit (°F)
Absolute Zero -273.15 -459.67
Freezing Point of Water (at sea level) 0 32
Average Room Temperature 20-22 68-72
Body Temperature 37 98.6
Average Summer Day 25-30 77-86
Heat of a Desert 40-50 104-122
Boiling Point of Water (at sea level) 100 212
Highest Recorded Earth Temperature 56.7 134
[–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Average Summer Day 25-30 77-86

See, that's the problem with these "Fahrenheit is more intuitive" arguments. They are catered to a very specific country with a very specific climate. For me, 25-30 ºC is an average late spring day.

[–] sisyphean@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

It's intuitive to those who grew up using it. For me, Celsius is much more intuitive because people around me used it all my life and refer to common temperatures in Celsius.

So I think intuitiveness is very subjective and not a good criterion to judge a unit by.

[–] RMiddleton@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

This, for sure. I live in the US and wanted to learn to understand Celsius so I switched my phone to use it. Internalizing a system works where translating/converting does not. I quickly learned that I feel comfortable in temperatures in the 20s. Since I feel comfortable in Fahrenheit temps in the upper 60s to mid 70s I can guess what the conversion is for most temps, but I don't have to do it to understand that I like how 22 C feels.

Similarly, if you're traveling and having to use a foreign currency I prefer to establish an idea in my head of cheap, reasonable, expensive than stopping to convert every price exactly. A "reasonable price" is relative to the item and location, of course, and should also affect my perspective.

Absorbing a new system by this method works fairly easily for temperatures and money, but less so for other measurements. I don't have as fine-tuned a sense of what ounces, pounds, or grams feel like as I do units of temperature. And I am always adding or subtracting 12 to understand time when expressed as 13h and up.

During the brief period when the US was encouraging metric system understanding there were many highway speed limit signs expressed as 55 mph / 88 kph. Every time I need to make that conversion I think of 5/8 because of that sign. And I usually just make guesstimates that work well enough.

I like learning new things. The generation before me in my family turned off their brains long ago and now suffer dementia. I work to keep my mind active. Learning other units of measure is one example.

Finally I'll say that I WISH I could get to a point of understanding languages this way without translation.

[–] ThesePaycheckAvenging@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Isn't Fahrenheit a "feel" temperature unit anyway? Once you need precision (science), even Americans switch to Celsius/Kelvin.

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[–] BravoVictor@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Terrific insight. I had often wondered if that alone would assist with adoption if it became standard in the US. That, or we would just print it in two formats all the time..

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