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[–] schnapsidee@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Decisions like this just prove how massive the market for a self-hostable alternative is. They're not banning it because it's a bad tool, they're banning it because they're concerned about what happens to the source code their engineers paste into it.

There are already a bunch of OSS attempts, and it likely won't take long until we have something of comparable quality to ChatGPT is available for companies to host on their own hardware.

[–] eight_byte@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Companies are also banning ChatGPT because its unclear from where the code it spits out was stolen and how it’s licensed. Copy and pasting code from AI tools is an enormous risk for a software company.

[–] saplyng@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] schnapsidee@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

As I said, there are some self-hostable alternatives, but nothing even remotely enterprise ready yet. I'm keeping a pretty close eye on this because my boss wants to train a support chatbot on company data and run it on our own hardware. (And an alternative to copilot would be great too, as that's banned for internal use.) There are some great tools to tinker around with, but I haven't found anything that I would call production ready.

[–] Mon0@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, this just proves what everybody knows that has worked with ChatGPT. It is a nice tool if you want to write a story but everything else is just a time waste. Contrary to the media belief 99% of ChatGPTs answers to business related questions (including coding) produce a partially wrong or completely wrong answer.
You rly can‘t trust the answers ChatGPT gives you at all.
And coding … Copilot is already not good (in coding but very useful for auto completion) but ChatGPT is actually worse. ChatGPT fails even on easy coding tasks in most languages and even the JS solutions are mostly horrible.

Sure the code is also a problem, but in the here and now the biggest problem are devs that just believe whatever ChatGPT prints out and in the end you have a PR full of code (including deprecated extensions and packages) from yesteryear.

But self hosted models would be awesome nonetheless.

[–] yske@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

if you want to write a mediocre story, anyway

agreed otherwise

[–] lonewalk@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I wouldn’t be that black and white. There are many people where I work that are using ChatGPT and Copilot and seem to consider it a productivity boost.

Granted, I’m at an enterprise corp, and it’s probably not an example of top development talent, but the people using it are senior devs with a fair amount of prior experience, not just juniors.

Also FWIW I find ChatGPT excellent for answering some higher level questions I have as a junior developer. I’ve gotten good answers that have put me on the right track to solving problems.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Well of course, ChatGPT has already leaked Samsung Semiconductor's internal information earlier, and Apple is infamous for being secretive about their design.

[–] CookieJarObserver@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago
[–] ghariksforge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I doubt ChatGPT boosts employee performance.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

How to neuter your own ability to compete: ban your workers from using the latest tool for boosting employee performance.

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Leaking industry secrets is a much bigger concern that boosting productivity a little bit.

We're talking about very specialized engineering work, it's not something you can totally rely on a bot to do, though it might help sometimes, it's fully understandable for specialized companies to want to ban GPT internally, until there's a way for them to host a totally internal one.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On this I agree entirely. The potential for corporate espionage because of unwitting employees using an LLM through unofficial means is huge.

At the very least, the corporation itself would have to be the customer, so that watertight terms might be negotiated, not the employee.

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think being a customer would work either, language models are still on the training, noone knows exactly how users queries are used, that's a big no no for every company having to protect their secrets.

A self-hosted instance is a much better solution, if not the only "safe" one from that point of view, we'll get there.

[–] RupeThereItIs@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's a MASSIVE security risk. What you tell ChatGPT is not private, if you knowingly or unknowingly tell ChatGPT secret information you have no control over where that information may go. Especially for a company for Apple that lives & breaths on surprise product releases.