bryophile

The words you use in your head matter. Don't call it hiding away, that makes it sound like something you're not supposed to do. Call it clearing your head, self care, taking a break, or whatever. Those are normal things to do and come down to exactly the same act of taking some private time.

Giving yourself permission to "hide" is still negative self talk.

Yes that tends to spoil the fun

It's almost funny how long it takes for you guys to realize. From a European perspective it has always been obvious that a left wing party in the US is still a right wing party compared to European actually left wing parties.

Alright, please don't be an insufferable twat.

Not accusing you of anything, just asking you to not be one.

As if your bleak outlook is going to change human nature?

I'm not lying, I'm not even denying there will be disaster. But there is a difference between disaster, global catastrophy and an actual apocalypse. Did you get the part about the black and white? Your links do not say "100% certainty of unfixable total apocalypse".

So no need to accuse me of lying, denying science or being able to change human nature. I am recognising human nature. Your attitude is making things worse by taking away hope, as it will lead to inaction; denying this is denying human nature.

And as for the acting shitty: you started it. Of course it's good to share info, but it can do without your attitude. It takes away of what you're trying to accomplish, which is just a shame because I really think we're on the same page in the end.

Maybe we got off on the wrong foot here as I did not even interpret this meme as being about climate change only. There's no buildings in the bottom picture so I interpreted it as being about war.

To me this meme was not clearly about climate change. Just a vision of the future. There's no buildings left in the bottom picture. I thought it was about wars and destruction or whatever

I guess I am a god wizard then because I know me doing my part makes some difference however miniscule and insignificant it is. Something is not nothing, however small.

Of course we cannot stop a climate disaster. But there's grey in between your black and white scenarios. Even if it's a dark dark grey. It doesn't have to be all vantablack. There is no denying whatever laws of physics come into play, it will be worse when we do absolutely fuck all because everything is fucked anyway than if we do our best to make the disaster less bad. Please let's keep the motivation and the hopes up to at least try.

My point is that exactly your attitude in which everything is lost anyway is not helping to prevent the blackest scenario.

Now go outside and get some fresh air while it's still fresh.

You're absolutely right that this is definitely a cause for concern and it is different than other times where there was a fear of the world ending. It was not my intention to undermine the seriousness of the situation.

I don't think, however, that the message of "the world is definitely going to end" is helpful. The message should be "this is what we can do to save it". We should be hopeful, but not complacent.

Keep up the good work though!

People generally think the good times are over and things always used to be better in the good old days. It is part of the human condition.

The final reckoning, the threat of nuclear war, the millennium bug, some ancient calendar ending, COVID and many more. There's always a next global catastrophy coming our way. It's ok, it will either happen or not or something in between. Or something entirely different that we didn't see coming.

I genuinely feel sorry for you

Yes I agree this case can be made. Many cases can be made.

This one about the in- and out group is a lot more convincing than just "humans are programmed to destroy themselves".

I recommend you to read Rutger Bregman's Humankind: A Hopeful History. And David Graeber's the Dawn of Everything.

Not that their arguments end all discussion on this. But the clear-cut definition of humans as inherently greedy creatures is also not set in stone as capitalism/liberalism likes us to believe.

It would be quite the philosophical revolution if we had a final definition of human nature. So no, we cannot say: looking at history we must conclude that humans are inherently greedy, no further discussion.