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Thanks to all who have been reading this series the past week. Again, this was bonkers enough to research and has felt bonkers to walk around with and now feels bonkers to write. This whole story isn't just that we're not alone, that NHI are here, whatever they are, but that the real secrecy behind this subject has largely to do with a small group from the outset exploiting exotic tech for their own gain and then essentially dictating how those of us not in power lived for the next eighty years.

Here are parts 1-4:

Part 1:

Part 2:

Part 3:

Part 4:

The original players were the Bush family and their associates before, during and after WWII after recovering the Magenta, Italy 1933 crash via backchanneling from the Vatican, and then these same people setting up the CIA post-Roswell to hide what they were doing as they recovered more UFO/UAP crash-retrievals, build the US MIC, and help destroy the world.

In Part Five of this series, we'll start with EG&G. I only knew to start pulling on that thread months ago after rewatching a talk that Ross Coulthart gave at the Victorian State Library on August 12, 2023, especially the last five minutes, timestamped here:

I really recommend the whole talk as well as the Q&A, and he returned a couple of months later for a long talk.

First, he brings up a patch that reads 'Measure, Analyze, Protect' that he'd shown earlier in his talk right about 4:00 in. In that first bit of info about the patch, one that he got from a guy who had a relative who worked at Area 51, he talks about how he first brought up the patch on a recent-at-the-time Need to Know Podcast episode, and because Ross didn't actually have the patch at the time, a lot of skeptics and debunkers started calling them out. This infuriated the guy so much that he said "fuck it, you can run it," so Ross presented that patch here for the first time.

'Measure, Analyze, Protect' patch by a secret Area 51

The patch belongs to a team at Area 51 that is involved in reverse-engineering, and the relative worked there as a data configuration specialist, in charge of collecting data from engineering tests and storing it in large, secure vaults. He had access that many others didn't. He worked with a group of ten individuals who worked on terrestrial craft, but he alleged that are groups within EG&G, the former administrators of Area 51. There was an EG&G engineer who told relatives in 1997 that he and his team had been working on non-human technology. He said that in the room where this material was kept, there was a huge image on the wall of an egg-shaped craft that had been found fully intact, resting on the desert floor of a remote US location. Basically the picture of the patch came from that data configuration specialist's study when the young man who was very interested in Area 51 took it.

Jump to the last four-plus minutes in the original clip above when he brings the patch back up and proceeds to talk about the fifteenth episode of season one of Star Trek: The Next Generation titled "11001001, first broadcast in 1988, before that photo was snapped. I actually watched this episode twice when I first watched this talk. It's about these binary aliens called the Bynars who steal the Enterprise to save their home planet from the shockwaves of a supernova that would destroy the computers that would keep life going on their planet and store the data of their planet on the Enterprise. Ross says the episode's about the power and dangers of technology, but that he still can't figure out what the patch includes the 11001001 and asks the audience (which includes us!) to try and figure it out. The guy who owned the patch had a conversation with a scientist who told him there was a crash retrieval program.

Ross then goes on to say that info came from someone with direct knowledge of a crash retrieval program at Area 51. The guy then goes on to say that Bob Lazar did work at Area 51 but only for a brief period of time and doesn't know as much as he lets on, that most of it is fabricated nonsense. In actuality, the guy says, they could never figure out how the craft worked, nor could they even open it, and that S-4 is only a group of radio towers. He says there are no hangars built into the side of the mountain housing nine saucers as Lazar claims. Said there was no way Lazar smuggled out the up close picture of the egg-shaped craft because they and their vehicles are routinely searched, and no one wants to take the risk because it's a nice place to work. People work for the long haul, to retire, with companies like EG&G and JT4. Assumed that since this was going to be online, people were going to nuts. Did that ever happen?

Pulling all this from EG&G's Wikipedia:

EG&G, formally known as Edgerton, Germeshausen, and Grier, Inc., was a United States national defense contractor and provider of management and technical services. The company was involved in contracting services to the United States government during World War II and conducted weapons research and development during the Cold war era (from 1948 and onward).[1]: 3 It had close involvement with some of the government's most sensitive technologies.

Early history

In 1931, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) professor Harold Edgerton, a pioneer of high-speed photography, partnered with his graduate student Kenneth Germeshausen to found a small technical consulting firm.[2] The two were joined by fellow MIT graduate student Herbert E. Grier in 1934. Bernard "Barney" O'Keefe became the fourth member of their fledgling technology group.

The group's high-speed photography was used to image implosion tests during the Manhattan Project. The same skills in precisely timed high-power electrical pulses also formed a key enabling technology for nuclear weapon triggers. After the war, the group continued their association with the burgeoning military nuclear effort and formally incorporated Edgerton, Germeshausen, and Grier, Inc. in 1947.[3]

[This is that 1947 reference, the digital records site for Edgerton. Funny enough the company was called EGG initially.]

EG&G the Company: 1947 Onwards

The three colleagues and friends Harold Edgerton, Kenneth Germeshausen, and Herbert Grier became an incorporated partnership in 1947 at the request of the Atomic Energy Commission. Now known as EG&G, Inc., they designed and operated systems that timed and triggered nuclear bomb tests.

So EG&G was initially a high-speed photography company used by the US military to film nuclear tests, among other things, and post-Roswell, the AEC asked the company to become more official in order to contract out weapons-testing services, among other things. Sounds like EG&G was the OG private contractor hiding work being done by the USG.

1950s and 1960s

**During the 1950s and 1960s, EG&G was involved in nuclear tests as a major contractor for the Atomic Energy Commission. EG&G made extensive use of the Nevada Test Site (NTS) for weapons development and high-technology military testing at Nellis AFB. EG&G has shared operations responsibility for the NTS with Livermore Labs, Raytheon ...


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So, I just finished the Daily Show interview with Luis Elizondo, and I'm a little bit shaken. I'm a long-time skeptic and former Physics major (3 years), so I'm well-aware that the probability of intelligent aliens existing somewhere in the universe is very, very high. That being said, I never imagined they would be close enough for this kind of communication. Am I to understand that this guy is telling the truth? Aliens are actually both real and currently attempting to communicate with (or at least examine) humanity?

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SS: (Whoops forgot to include, once again). Wish Jon had been here for this one, but interesting to watch. HArd to get a read on Ronny... On one hand he's acting like eh's totally blown away, and on the other he's acting like he's read the book. I guess that's media-world for you. Def felt liek this was a spokesman of the military speaking, but if nothign else, it was good to see Elizondo having a laugh and smiling.

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Original Title: Senate Armed Services Committee to hold UFO hearing after November elections, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand’s (D-N.Y.) office confirmed to The Hill. “It’s a priority for me. I think it’s very important that we continue to make things publicly available” Gillibrand earlier this month told Matt Laslo.

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TLDR: I don't think the Collins Elite are necessarily the bad guys; I think they're potentially wrong about a lot of things, but well-intentioned. I would like to try and explain the POV of the Collins Elite in a more sympathetic light based on my research. My thesis* is that while the Collins Elite may be wrong about the origin of some NHI and about disclosure, they are not necessarily wrong about the malevolent intentions of some NHI. Because there is evidence of malevolence, they are acting, from their POV, in the best interest of humanity.

THE COLLINS ELITE: WHAT THEY BELIEVE AND WHY

The Collins Elite believe NHI are demons that were summoned into our plain of existence by occult practices - in particular, the occult summoning practices of Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons. According to the Collins Elite, the goal of these demons is to deceive humanity into believing they are ETs to turn humanity away from God so they can lead humanity towards damnation. Interestingly, these demons supposedly feed on human souls. (Keep this last part in mind - it'll come back up later). To feed on us, the demons intend to bring about strife and nuclear war/mass death to kill the human race and take our souls.

If you would like a primer/deep dive on the Collins Elite and the link between occult/esoteric practices and UFOs, I highly recommend the book Final Events by Nick Redfern (Redfern is NOT religious based on what I've read), the Great Series lecture on the matter, and ufologist/Youtuber Tupacabra's video on the matter. Tupacabra won a prize via a contest for his idea, and I would like to thank folks like him and Red Panda Koala for putting out such fantastic stuff. I would also like to give a shoutout to Isaac Weishaupt who has one of the most straightforward takes on how UFOs connect to the occult. Regardless of what you might think about conspiracy theories, he has one of the best explanations I've seen so far. I will also give extensive links in another post to hints dropped by UFO insiders that there is a link between the spiritual/esoteric and UFOs.

But that's getting ahead of ourselves. To understand WHY the Collins Elite believes all of this, we first need to look at two important historical figures: Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons.

CROWLEY AND PARSONS: TWO OCCULT PEAS-IN-A-POD

The Collins Elite believe that the Church of Thelema/Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) led by Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons opened a door to another plain of existence via entity-summoning occult rituals, which brought eldritch-like, Lovecraftian beings into our world.

First, let's look at Aleister Crowley. It is no secret that Aleister Crowley often performed occult rituals with the hopes of summoning demons, angels, and other mystical beings. Such rituals included blood sacrifice, sex magic, and the Gnostic Mass, which includes the imbibing of a cake of light made with "semen, menstrual blood, vaginal fluids, or a mix thereof."

Crowley supposedly performed one ritual in 1918 called the Amalantrah Working while in an altered state of consciousness (where have we heard about consciousness being important before?), which summoned a short-statured, large-headed being named "Lam".

Portrait of Lam. Look familiar?

Crowley drew this picture of Lam long before the concept of the Greys became part of pop culture. He did not refer to Lam as an ET, but as an "Enochian entity". Many have noted the physical resemblance between Lam and the Greys a la Whitney Streiber. The short stature, the large similarly shaped heads, the lack of hair, little to no ears, small nostrils, small mouths. Notably, the eyes are different, but a certain resemblance remains.

While Crowley was a bit of an odd duck and arguably the ultimate occult larper, Jack Parsons was an even bigger occult ritual enthusiast and Crowley follower. Jack Parsons is most famous for being a genius rocket engineer and one of the founders of Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), but he was well known for having odd occult sensibilities.

Parsons and company were into some rather wild and crazy stuff. For example, Parsons and company were accused by 16 year-old boy of rape, of having a naked pregnant woman jump through fire, and of animal blood sacrifice. Along with alleged animal blood sacrifice, a mysterious black box covered in magical symbols was reportedly found in his home. The contained home movies of Parsons having sex with his mother Ruth and her large black dog (this is according to Final Events, which cites the book Sex and Rockets). While married to his wife Helena, he also began a sexual relationship with Helena's sister Sara. She was 17 years old at the time.

One of his major goals was to summon a creature like Crowley and perform a ritual called the Babalon Working. During that ritual, Parsons reportedly had an out-of-body experience (*cough* ROBERT MONROE *cough*). He felt himself astrally transported to the biblically significant city of Chorazin, which is famous for supposedly being the place where the AntiChrist will come from. Finally, he also made an "Oath of the AntiChrist" where he professed to be the embodiment of the AntiChrist. This occurred in 1946.

Soon after performing the Babalon Working to summon creatures from beyond and Parson's attempt to become the AntiChrist, Kenneth Arnold reported his now famous flying saucer sighting in 1947. Then came the crash at Roswell in the same year. Roswell is significant as it was the location of a testing lab of Robert Goddard who was in talks with collaborating with none other than JPL.

How are all these events connected? Well, Parsons had "loudly proclaimed UFOs would ultimately 'play a part in converting the world to Crowleyanity.'" According to Richard Duke, a member of the Collins Elite, Parsons admitted to knowing Kenneth Arnold, admitted that the saucers were the result of the Babalon Working, and that he had more than a passing connection with Goddard and Roswell. This information came about because, given his work in top-level rocketry research, Parsons held a high-level security clearance and was investigated by AFOSI for espionage at one point. It was during those investigations that Parsons was pressed to talk about these connections.

As a result, a small group at Wright-Patterson started investigating into demonology, occult practices, Crowley, etc. This group would later invite a group to continue their research. That group became the Collins Elite.

HUNGRY, HUNGRY DEMONS: HUMANS AS SOUL FOOD

According to the Collins Elite who were monitoring these events, one channeled demon told them precisely what the demons wanted:

Certainly the most significant development came in September 1972, said Manners, when, surrounded at her home by eager-but-apprehensive players in both Operation Often and the Collins Elite, Leek entered a trance-like state, and reportedly channeled a demonic entity that described itself as Caxuulikom - a venomous, spiteful and overwhelmingly evil and negative being whose origins could be traced back to ancient Babylon, and who outrageously mocked those present, laughed and spat in their frightened faced, and bragged in a literally hysterical and maniacal fashion about the way in which the world was being fooled into believing that aliens were among us, when, in reality, the forces of the Prince of Darkness himself were readying and steading themselves for the final confrontation with the powers of good. Not only that, asserted Manners, but Caxuulikom informed those present that the Earth was a farm and nothing else, that energy derived from the souls of the Human Race and indeed from every living creature on the planet was being harvested as a means to feed the minions of Satan, and that the E.T. motif was merely the latest ingenious ruse under which such actions were being secretly undertaken.

Interestingly, a lot of the early channelers who claimed to be in contact with UFOs were in close proximity to OTO/Crowley followers. They were using occult instruments like ouiji boards and ritual magic to contact other worldly beings and got contacted by interdimensional "aliens". This would explain why channeling leads to so many different entities (e.g. Ra and the Law of One, Seth Speaks, Abraham and the Law of Attraction, etc.).

A DEMON BY ANY OTHER NAME: THE GODS OF EDEN, LOOSH, AND SEKRET MACHINES

Regardless of whether we call these beings demons or NHI, if their intention is malevolent and if they feed on human souls/energy, then it's really irrelevant what we call them or wher...


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The Senate Armed Services Committee, led by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), plans to hold a UFO hearing after the November elections, following increased sightings of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP). Gillibrand seeks a progress report from the Pentagon's All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), which was established to analyze UAPs. The hearing aims to ensure transparency and build credibility around UAP investigations. Lawmakers have expressed frustration over slow progress, with some, like Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.), alleging a government cover-up. A March Pentagon report denies evidence of reverse-engineering extraterrestrial technology.

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Hey everyone. So, The Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies has a podcast called The Anomalous Review, which I host. I recently interviewed Chris Mellon on it, and I thought folks in this sub might find it relevant and interesting enough to check out. Links are below, along with links for my interviews with Garry Nolan, Kevin Knuth, Julia Mossbridge, and members of SCUs Leadership. The interviews are long-form conversations, and while I don't try to grill my guests, I do press them on points that I believe need pressing.

Hope you enjoy. Audio podcast is also available at the usual places.

Chris Mellon on Government Accountability and Disclosure


Also:

Garry Nolan on Reverse Engineering and UAP

Julia Mossbridge on Psi and UAP

Kevin Knuth on Simulating Star Systems and Detecting UAP

SCU Leadership on why SCU Exists and What it Does

Apple Podcast Link

Spotify Podcast Link

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Some guy posted this vid here in a comment I will link the original source in the submission statement. I find this video very compelling. Do we have some more data on this one and can someone translate what the gentleman in the video is saying?

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Original Title: The original file for the ufo video uploaded yesterday there’s writing on it as op filmed it for Snapchat he was filming a blazing fire that was going on for a couple days in ca read the description for details

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Original Title: 🔥NEW from The Good Trouble Show. Message to Congress from Dr. Garry Nolan: "The Pentagon's UAP Office AARO should be disbanded...Congress must pass The UAP Disclosure Act. Dr. Nolan has some choice words for Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick and more. One of our best interviews yet.

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Had to repost I didnt know i need to comment on my own post of at least 150 words but lets try this again

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Just watched the documentary by James Allen about McCandlish’s account of Alien Reproduction Vehicle (ARV) aka the fluxliner. It has some detailed information on how they possibly work and some good and interesting sources are named (i.e: H. Puthoff, T. T. Brown to name a few). A lot of the possible physics involved, as well as the propulsion systems seem very consistent with Lou’s account of UAP characteristics in Imminent. Just thought I’d share and get your thoughts.

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