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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

I think the Senate would be fine if it was in charge of a Veto instead of having to also pass the legislation, also if it had a lot more senators to some multiple of 3 at a minimum.

IE doing nothing is just letting everything pass automatically and that cooling pan shit is something senate leaders have to pursue actively with (qualified) majority support.

My ideal procedure. House passes a law, Senate vetoes it with a majority meeting or beating the passing margin of the law in the house, but also representing a majority of all americans, house can override the veto by meeting or beating the population margin the senate's Veto represented.

You may note that there is no president involved in this process. That is because I believe the independent executive is an inherent threat to democracy and that it should be subject to complete erasure and power division to save the republic.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

More senators gives more power to the smaller states.

The whole idea is ass-backwards anyway. Assigning representation based on lines that were cooked up centuries ago over reasons that are mostly lost to time. It was a compromise to appease the southern Democratic Republicans who feared proportional representation meant they would get trampled on.

And maybe they would. But maybe that also just means that they should. They were worried about tyranny of the majority (i.e. democracy), and now we have tyranny of the minority.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Just gonna skip right on past that reduced threshold to overturn the Senate veto, the having to act on everything they want to halt, and the qualified majority bits huh? Also how in the hell does more senators automatically make small states more powerful? Giving more voice to minorities within small states would technically undermine state level bigwigs trying to have a partisan lock on their senate delegations.

Hawaii is a small state, DC would be a small state, Delaware and most of New England are small states. You really want a one off Republican Majority to be able to just smash Hawaiian autonomy and indigenous rights to pieces without any checks or balances?

This model of the Senate is basically a parliamentary takeover of the role of head of state, only more powerful than the king of england in the sense that it'd be able to invoke the right of veto without instantly causing a constitutional crisis and sparking a revolution.

[–] boydster@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh man wait till you learn about Hawaii and how it's autonomy and indigenous people's rights were smashed to pieces when we made them a state

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

You mean by granting it the most autonomy out of all the states when we made them into a state? They even get to set their own importation laws to maintain their ecosystem.

The annexation was a shit deal but statehood gave them more rights than most explicitly designated ethnic autonomous zones around the world have today.

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