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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (20 children)

people in charge of these movements are people who deliberately seek power

"Don't trust anyone who tells you what to do"

"Okay, I'm not going to trust you."

"No, you idiot! That's not what I meant!"

So, anyway, let's talk about why the Anarchists of the Spanish Civil War got absolutely rolled by the well organized and disciplined Fascists. Then maybe pop over to Russia, China, Cuba, Korea, and Vietnam, and consider why Marxism have had a better record on self defense.

[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (18 children)

the Anarchists of the Spanish Civil War got absolutely ~~rolled~~ betrayed by the well organized and disciplined ~~Fascists~~ Communists

FTFY

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Hate to be betrayed by not having enough tanks sent to me. Maybe if the Spanish anarchists had all the military equipment they wanted, they would have won, but the war-torn Russians couldn't afford to waste equipment on the shittily organized anarchists, so now I'm going to whinge about it for a century as though that makes them equivalent to (or worse than) the fascists who actually killed them!

[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Spanish Civil War wasn't anarchists vs fascists. There was a popular front that included anarchists, socialists, communists, liberals. The USSR-associated groups made a grab for power over the anarchist factions, which can't have helped the war effort.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

There was logistical involvement from the USSR itself, which is what I thought you were referring to. I have nothing to say one way or another about internal factionalism, besides that the whole basis of your riff is still equivocating with or in fact making the Communists out to be worse than the Francoists, which I find to be in poor taste. You come off even worse than those dweebs who fellate the Makhnovist.

Do you have nothing to say to Cowbee?

[–] Dragon@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My only goal was to push back on the notion that the Spanish Civil War was lost due to anarchist disorganization. I'm not sure what response the other commenter warrants, it's just a quip.

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