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Honestly, that would be one of the few ways I can see out of this mess. Because this... this would evoke resistance, this would evoke outrage and I think they're not going to give us that just yet. They're going to cook us slowly.
Fascism isn't digging it's claws into the West "Beerhall Putsch"-style, it's going to be "Prussia contra Reich"-style.
It's not going to be ethnic cleansing right now, it's not going to be bread lines just now. But the fascist takeover is already happening and has been happening for quite some time and it looks like this: The quiet abolition of checks and balances through the courts and the continuous erosion of legal barriers to a party-dictatorship. It's about gerrymandering, right to vote, about free press, free speech and multiple media conglomerates worth of disinformation.
The next four years will be one legal battle after another and one (relatively small) overstepping of a boundary after another. It's not gonna start with the military in inner cities, it's going to start with more immunities for police, with the eradication of resistance in the executive branch. New generals, new bureaucrats, new judges... if you want to know what Trumps takeover will look like... look to Hungary and Turkey, Trump and the entire GOP have already praised Orban and Erdogan as strong leaders and models for this new term.
Honestly I think hyperbole could be dangerous! If we now tell everyone to expect the goose-stepping, they will say "see, the bad things you predict don't happen!" While completely ignoring the continuous erosion of the democratic ability to resist them through the system.
Yeah, things are going to get bad, but it's going to happen slowly. So slowly that a lot of people panicking right now will calm down and go back to business as usual. We will be distracted and forget this is happening, until it's too late to do anything about it. I'd be shocked if Trump is even president/alive still when America goes full mask-off fascist.
That's what's so insidious about it.
That's not necessarily my position. I mean yeah, chances are good you're right, but while things will escalate slowly at first, they'll ramp up over time. The more their power is secure, the more americans segregate into a few (but populous) blue states and many (but empty) red states, the more the senate will gain power, the more positions in the bureaucracy, executive and judiciary they have secured, the bigger their overstepping is going to be and the faster shit'll escalate.
And it'll feel overwhelming and like too much happening at once the whole time. They'll drain resistance by basically DDOSing the system, too many things to take care of, too many garbage fires at once and all the time the media is going to jump from one new development to the next, never following up on things, never allowing for a breather.
Man it's going to be so much shit to shovel... and we'll have elections in Germany too soon with a likely right wing government of Trump fans getting elected. I just want to cry.
You're right, it will be a slow setup then a sudden overwhelming deluge, if not in two years then in four. That's project 2025's whole thing. It all really just depends on how much GOP incompetence and in-fighting delays their plans.
My comment about Trump was more aimed at the fact that he is an old man in seemingly poor health who doesn't even really like being president beyond the power trip and ego boost. His main motivation for running again was to avoid legal consequences for the corruption of his first term. If he doesn't die within the next four years my money is on him being forced to step down and pardoned by Vance