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I'm not thrilled about the 4B movement as it's transphobic, but I support women making decisions for themselves. Ideally this trend in the US will be lgbtq+ aligned.
I would assume lemmy would be supportive of this trend for people in the US in at least broad terms, but I remember the Man v Bear discussion. Bear by the way.
Here's a challenge for anyone reading this, start by empathizing with these women and what they've been going through that would make this a popular trend for them.
Can you explain why this is? I'm only familiar with the basic premise, what's transphobic about it?
The main issue is that 4B in South Korea specifically is a manosphere esq movement for woman. It ends up with the same reactionary bent to it as it is not about equality but separation. It ended up with terf rhetoric as well.
Here's some articles to read:
https://www.them.us/story/how-4b-actually-leaves-trans-people-behind
https://time.com/7177557/4b-us-women-resisting-patriarchy-essay/
Thanks for the explanation. Sounds reminiscent of terfs and feminism, where the movement itself is good, but the extremists co-opting it are the problem? I'd only heard about it in passing, and it seemed quite reasonable to me; I wasn't aware of that side of it, though.
With 4B in South Korea I think it was bad from the start and not a case of co-opting. With people championing 4B in the US it's a case of it's still new, but unfortunately has roots in a bad movement. Hopefully 4B in the US will reject the terf aspect of 4B in South Korea, but that will take work.