Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It's nice and cozy here, we do have some "bad parts of town" but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol
For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz
You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)
There's much more around as well!
Obligatory, fuck Spez
I'm kinda new to the fediverse. What did lemmy.ml do?
I'd recommend visiting it or joining an instance that federates with it at least. The liberals like to make it out to be a communist propaganda machine but most of the content is memes, oss, and general left wing / anti-US stuff. They will ban you on some communities if you bring up tianemen square or uyghurs though, so that sucks, but otherwise most of the content / users on there are decent.
Because the Tiananmen Square and Uyghur claims have all been debunked. Even the intelligence orgs admitted they don’t have any evidence. Why allow the same debunked propaganda to be reposted by bots over and over?
Do you have some evidence you’d like to present?
Tiananmen Square was debunked?
I mean, I was alive when the pics came out. Been aware of the censorship. Had friends from China and friends who worked there tell me about the complete avoidance of the subject.
Oh, and I’m not a bot, though you could be protecting your psyche by saying everyone who pushes back on this is.
It is just as foolish to not admit to the atrocities done by one government as it is for any other.
https://www.liberationnews.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt/
You can acknowledge that the narrative presented by western media about these events is exaggerated without going full tilt into denial.
Something did happen in Tiananmen Square. People were killed. The government of China does censor discussion of the events.
These are facts, and when you try to deny them it only reveals that you are more concerned with protecting your worldview than with adhering to the truth.
Haha. Lots of mental gymnastics in there. Or just being intentionally obtuse.
Yes, something happened there, and people died. But it wasn’t anything like the western narrative, including lies about who died.
Western media has an incentive to exaggerate, China has an incentive to downplay. Perhaps the truth which lies somewhere in between would be easier to arrive at if China didn't heavily censor all discussion of the events.
I think about what happened in Tiananmen Square with equal revulsion as I do for, say, the battle at Blair Mountain, and I approach the topics with equal caution in determining the details. You seem to have no such caution with regard to the Chinese state narrative of what occurred in Tiananmen Square.
Actually, I’m deferring the western journalists who were present and disputed the US propaganda of what happened. Even the major media outlets at the time disputed US claims.
I don’t trust China, but I do reflexively disbelieve anti-China propaganda from the US. It’s worked so far.
I honestly think we are in agreement on most of the details here, but though I reject the US propaganda stating that a massacre of tens of thousands of peaceful protestors took place I remain skeptical of the Chinese state's claims that the PLA was entirely unarmed prior to June 4th, that only around 300 people died (most of which were soldiers), and that the student protestors were the instigators in every case of violence.
First and foremost, however, I take issue with the ongoing censorship of all discussion of the events surrounding the protests in Tiananmen Square. I'm sympathetic to the goal of combating disinformation, but the simple fact that we could not be having this discussion if we were in China is one of the reasons it's so difficult to overcome the US propaganda surrounding these events. If the only counter-narrative Americans have access to is the official narrative presented by the CCP it's nearly impossible to get through to them with the truth.
Saying this as an American myself who had great difficulty trying to unravel what actually happened in Tiananmen Square and who still has a lot of skepticism towards the very simplistic narratives I keep seeing parroted around by those on either side of the issue.