This never happened in the USSR though did it? The USSR was a dictatorship that brutalised the working classes. They are not some beacon of righteousness that we need to be referring back to, Soviet style "communism" is not what anyone seeking a more just world should be aspiring to.

There are other ways of delivering more horizontal power structures that would make society a better place for all. We do not need to be looking to a guy who lived 200 years ago for solutions today, anyone who critically looks at Marx's ideas who isn't a teenage boy in a Che Guevara t shirt knows his math and ideas do not stand up to scrutiny. Just as ridiculous as those who look to Adam Smith for guidance today. At least Marx fucked though, I never trust a man who doesn't.

I also don't get what you mean by "Russia's loss," it's a war of attrition

I don't know how you can't see how this statement you made is an embarrassing loss for Russia. How the mighty have fallen.

they are facing immense population collapse and crisis and an unstable government. Russia doesn't have the same problems.

This tells me you have never seen Russia's population pyramid or understand the trajectory of Russia's population. Demographics is destiny, worrying you can't see that but then lying to themselves is a Russian national sport at this stage. At least you are the best in the world at something!

In terms of government stability, power in Ukraine has changed power peacefully several times now since Maidan. I have no concerns that they can do it again. Russia on the other hand has an aging dictator who has been at the helm for almost 30 years with no successor or succession plan in place. Putin currently exerts near total control over Russia, the power struggle following his exit, which will be in the next decade, will be enormous. Bend over and prepare for Balkanisation my submissive friend.

[–] gorikan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

What a great summing up of an entire school of thought. Im sure you read most of marxist/communist literature. Damn Ill be surprised if you even opened capital to begin with.

also notice how you had to completely derail his point to USSR for a strawman. He just claimed what communists want. You didnt adress that bcause he clearly was right there

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

To be fair, the USSR was the best thing to happen to Eastern Europe. Their points on the Soviets were terrible, but I do think the Soviets were better than modern capitalism in Eastern Europe.

[–] gorikan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I agree for the early ussr. Later starting from khruschev and especially brezhnev i think the leadership got weak and larded. If not for them it never had to fall. Also i dont cede any such ground. Better then capitalists? They were the firsr sucessful leftist revolutionaries. I totally respect them, and was many times amazed by their history. I think its uniquely priviledged position to criticize the liberator for his missteps.

my personal favorite is Einsteins quote about his view of lenin: "I honor Lenin as a man who completely sacrificed himself and devoted all his energy to the realization of social justice. I do not consider his methods practical, but one thing is certain: men of his type are the guardians and restorers of the conscience of humanity."

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I definitely agree that latter administration was weaker, but it was still socialist up until it was dissolved, and still a better system than capitalism. That was my real point. As for the dissolution of the USSR, it's more complicated than that, but not in a way that dooms socialism.

[–] gorikan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I agree with you totally

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