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[-] stsquad@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

That's a hell of an assumption. I know a number of Arm GCC and LLVM hackers who are all employed by various companies including Arm themselves. It's in chip designers/manufacturers interest to have good GCC support for their architecture.

[-] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Of course hardware vendors have a vested interested in GCC support, and of course there are a lot of people paid to work on GCC! But the claim above was that GCC and Linux are "mostly" maintained by people paid to work on them. I don't actually know how to measure that (I thought I might be able to find a quick answer by googling, but no such luck), but even if it's true now, I seriously doubt it's been true for the majority of GCC's very long history.

I also specifically didn't mention LLVM because it's very closely associated with both Apple and Google.

The other claim was that fewer Rust maintainers are paid to work on Rust. But there are in fact quite a few people paid to work on Rust full time, and there have been throughout its history; most obviously at Mozilla, but even though Mozilla has since let go of its Rust language team, Amazon has a significant team of Rust maintainers (several of them from Mozilla), and I believe Facebook, Microsoft, Intel, and possibly Google do as well.

So as far as I can tell, (early) GCC, Linux, and Rust all have a mix of paid and unpaid maintainers.

[-] stsquad@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I added gitdm stats awhile back although the mappings could certainly do with some clean-up. For the last year of activity the stats are:

Top changeset contributors by employer
Red Hat                   1807 (17.6%)
juzhe.zhong@rivai.ai       814 (7.9%)
AdaCore                    795 (7.8%)
ARM                        778 (7.6%)
SUSE                       649 (6.3%)
Intel                      475 (4.6%)
Code Sourcery              366 (3.6%)
Automatic Admin            360 (3.5%)
pierre-emmanuel.patry@embecosm.com  347 (3.4%)
IBM                        201 (2.0%)

Top lines changed by employer
juzhe.zhong@rivai.ai      1392979 (25.9%)
SiFive                    1236220 (23.0%)
Code Sourcery             676611 (12.6%)
Red Hat                   416369 (7.8%)
ARM                       309116 (5.8%)
gaiusmod2@gmail.com       300270 (5.6%)
chenxiaolong@loongson.cn  174876 (3.3%)
Automatic Admin           160200 (3.0%)
Intel                     86657 (1.6%)
AdaCore                   60414 (1.1%)
[-] BatmanAoD@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

I didn't know about gitdm; that's a handy tool! Looks like those are just based on the domain of the email addresses used for commits, so it doesn't necessarily indicate whether the company employees people specifically to work on GCC. But I think you're right, that does indicate quite a lot of corporate support for the project.

[-] stsquad@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

The gitdm scripts come from LWN who do a regular "who writes the kernel" report but can work on any git repo.

You can be fairly certain that patches coming from a corporate domain are paid for their time. You can add extra metadata to track people who use personal or org addresses if they confirm it's a paid gig. The project I work on most is about 75% paid contributors with hobbyists and academics making up the rest. The good unpaid contributors can often get hired if they want to be.

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