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[–] Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 160 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (54 children)

Agree with you in general, but I think a lot if people here are not really informed what differences there are materialistic ideologies.

Yes, Stalin bad.

But Guevara is not Stalin.

Marx is not che

Engels is not Marx

China is not communist.

Marxism is not materialism

Socialism is not communism

Also the amount of people bringing the "the 3 times people tried socialism were bad, so the whole ideology must be bad" argument are way to high IMHO.

How many times was capitalism tried? How many times it worked out? Is the USA a "functioning" state with all the oppression, racism, greed, invading other countries out of monetarian interest and environment destruction?

While I agree with you, that oppression is bad, no matter what the oppressor calls himself, we should talk about policies without resorting to dogmas and generalising people in favor of fear the hegemonic class is propagating to stay in power.

[–] deltec@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seems weird that you want to ignore the fact that communism has never worked once lol

[–] Kaladin_Stormblessed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Capitalism has killed orders of magnitude more than communism.

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There have been orders of magnitude more people living under capitalism than communism

[–] shadowscale@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

yeah, and every time a communist country tried to pop up USAmerica sent Smedley Butler to ass blast them.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

And Capitalism also killed more people than Fascism.

That doesn't mean Fascists movements don't need fiercer opposition than Capitalist Liberals.

[–] Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Again: seems weitd that you think, a New thing needs to work after 3 -5 trys.

Capitalism was tried 100erds of times and still doesnt work...

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