Designing Firefox for the future : firefox

[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago

https://arkenfox.github.io/thorin/items/02browserfingerprinting.html

you can't "solve" fingerprinting. spoofing makes you more unique. and you cannot spoof everything. looking normal helps more than trying to hide. the only real solution to it would be creating a standard to all browsers, which is what tor does, and it's why it works. same settings, same window size, same engine, etc. if you want fingerprinting resistance, use tor!

[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

this would imply not being able to resize your window for example... you cant do that to a general purpose software. you need to useba tool that fits your needs. it would be the equivalent of complaining about Debian not being an amnesiac distro. Tails exists for this...

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

this would imply not being able to resize your window for example

Or it would let you resize and report the same size as everyone else.

[-] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

that's spoofing, spoofing makes you stand out more...

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

What do you mean? If all Firefox users report the same size, than you are one of many. That's the point. It makes you stand out less. Off course this works only if you are not the only one that sticks out and its the default.

[-] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

this is one thing, do you understand how limiting it would make the browser? its not just window size, this is one example. and afaik if you spoof your window size you can break rendering of pages. again, you're comprimising everyday usage. im not saying there isn't a way at all, maybe there is, but it's not some trivial thing, ive followed arkenfox for quite a few years and they've been saying the same. the amount of time it takes to make a redesign is nothing to making an unfingerprintable browser. if that's even a thing. and remember that you cant spoof everything.

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[-] TiredTiger@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

This is the philosophy of the Mullvad browser, which is basically as close as you can get to Tor for browsing the clear net. If anonymity is the goal, however, you don't want to use it to log into any accounts.

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[-] foxfell@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

I think he meant amount of human hours spent on total bs like redesign and real engine improvements, nithing more.

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[-] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 11 points 4 months ago

Not sure I'd be okay trusting designers to solve fingerprinting.

[-] Kristof12@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Anything actually useful done to firefox? idk

[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 30 points 4 months ago

I hate everything about "modern design" ... Rounded corners, gradients, blur and transparency effects, fading in/out ... fuck that! I want my browser to look and feel like the rest of my UI.

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

well, the rest of my UI has rounded corners, transparency, and blur 🤷‍♂️

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[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

This is basically what I was thinking. I customized Firefox to be less rounded with sharp edges, single color and much denser. I don't know why every application is treated like a new abstract art (off course I'm exaggerating here).

[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

That’s mine (resized to not have a huge screenshot file)

Custom fully custom labwc theme, customized GTK theme, modified Firefox (userChrome.css)

Thunar for reference.

Anything more and I’d feel super distracted and annoyed.

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I was hoping for screenshot sharing, lol. Yours look ~~similar~~ familiar, I wouldn't be surprised if we shared in the past whenever we had this topic before.

Mine evolves from time to time. Sometimes I learn something new from new screenshots and incorporate that. One such recent "implementation" is the Bookmarks Toolbar. I created a top level directory named "Favorites" and put all quick access bookmarks in there and moved the toolbar to the same level of tabs, to save me an entire extra line of bar. My current Firefox looks like this:

I'm on KDE, the titlebar is disabled for all windows (I'm an auto tiler person). BTW I'm not sure how to get rid off the rounded corners of the window, but that is not Firefox specific.

[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Yours look similar familiar, I wouldn’t be surprised if we shared in the past whenever we had this topic before.

I did and I will continue doing so! 😇

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago

I like some of these things, but I'd be ok with them being optional toggles. I remember seeing a Firefox fork with extensive customization options for the UI

Personally

rounded corners make it easier to see what is contained in what. It gives more information than just having everything meet at corners
gradients and blurs match the rest of my UI 😄

[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 months ago

Make it do less, a LOT faster, using less resources, with good extension support.

That is a good browsers only job.

[-] tb_@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

If that were the entire truth, neither brave nor opera would be as popular as they are.

[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

In my assessment, all browsers suck badly at performance and resource usage at the moment.

How does a 25mb website content result in 350mb of ram usage for that tab? And why would it not render basically instantly.

I am old enough to remember in the early 2000s, when page loads were near instant. Even for large e-commerce and social media websites.

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[-] novafunc@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 4 months ago

Glad that compact mode will be officially supported again. Makes such as big difference on a laptop screen.

[-] Krafting@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

As long as Kit is used everywhere, I'm up for it

[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

They probably haven't fulfilled their RAM usage quota yet

[-] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 6 points 4 months ago

oh fuck no please don't break my userchrome(desktop) and muscle memory(android)....

[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago

New compact mode is great, I might be in the minority here but I like the new design.

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I just wish the mobile app had an ability to display more than two bookmarks at a time without the need to scroll and click through menus to get to them. Desktop app has a bookmarks toolbar, the mobile equivalent sucks.

[-] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Greek Stays

Glad the translators weren't laid off to cut costs /s

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Didn’t think they could make the tags any less clear and contrasted than they did last time, so I guess they sure showed me.

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

They chance the look again. I have to say, the new look looks better than the current default. But it's not for me and I will heavily customize the look anyway. Hopefully my current customization works as it is and I have nothing to do...

[-] moopet@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

This reads like such corporate nonsense tbh

[-] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I find firefox more cumbersome than ever to use. Small things like expanding menu optionslook great but practically add steps to interactions.

I cant intuitively make a bookmark a shortcut, it just happens and if I edit it, it gets pinned. I want a list of favourites but instead there are dozens of reddit variations suggested because of browsing habits instead of accepting my r/all shortcut as being my entry point.

I can select always desktopmode but not choose what domains it should only do it for.

I hate chrome but it works better, I had to use it for work and it became the default. It is am unfortunate slog to degoogle whereas before I enjoyed being provacy focused because it got me a better product.

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