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The link right here goes to 40:02 of Proton' boss on the TLE channel about Linux support, where a Drive Client is deemed so difficult to achieve that they don't even have a roadmap for it. Nor is the word "Linux" featured anywhere on proton's pages about Drive.

coughdropboxcough

If I believe what I see on Lemmy, 99% of users here are on Linux, and the 1% remaining probably are just waiting on a Drive Linux Client to make the switch, right? Right?

Please take the survey and maybe mention politely our deep sorrow and profound distress.

https://form.typeform.com/to/L0UNpRar

The accompanying message says "Limited submissions. Respond now to ensure your voice is heard."

Let's go! Thanks!

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[–] Vent@lemm.ee 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Focus of my survey:

  1. I don't care about LLMs
  2. Focus on core products instead of making new stuff

I'll be interested to see the results on how everyone else reacted to all of the AI questions.

[–] reallyzen@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I answered "I want safeguards in place towards the purpose and final use of LLM's output".

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 4 points 6 months ago

Problem is the questions were incredibly generic. There are appropriate uses for AI. But, like, 95% of them are inappropriate.

[–] pro_grammer@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So... Where's the link to the survey?

[–] reallyzen@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I got it in my proton mailbox.

https://form.typeform.com/to/L0UNpRar

The mail even says "Limited submissions. Respond now to ensure your voice is heard."

Go for it!

[–] pro_grammer@programming.dev 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

hell yeah, LET'S GOOOOO.

P.S: add the link to the post description so people find it easily

[–] reallyzen@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

Done, you're right

[–] Wilmo@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I typed it in, on one of the question where we could for drive. I did my part!

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Proton seems to have given up on Linux. The bridge keep breaking for me and I need to constantly restart it, the vpn client is still super slow and incredibly clunky. Wouldn't expect much from these requests tbh

[–] reallyzen@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

I never had the VPN app to work, I use the config file generator then set it up in NetworkMamager - which at least work all the time.

[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have trouble believing it is that hard, when rclone already works with proton.

Using built-in rclone options, it works just fine. It's very slow... But it's the same rate as direct to browser.

[–] reallyzen@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So slow and cumbersome. Sorry my benchmark is dropbox

[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How slow are we talking? Like latency between file add to file start uploading? Or just general time it takes to download/upload?

[–] reallyzen@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

Up/Down speed is my feeling, but "negotiations" between client and server too.

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

While I wish Linux support was something they prioritized, it doesn't take much to understand it's never gonna happen.

It takes a single look into the Proton VPN v4 client to understand Linux is a third class citizen at best.

[–] reallyzen@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That Boss guy says it there, Linux customership is negligible. I was happy to switch to an ethical ecosystem, but at the end of the day Proton is a company that runs for profit.

Nevermind that this specific Linux customership is exponentially sensitive to privacy and security next to the average windows user, our money still doesn't matter.

It's... annoying. Drive is relegated to weekly Dead Stupid Backups while Dropbox gives me real filesharing, VPN is highly unstable next to my former.. dare I mention it? Yes: next to NkrdVPN which was ultra reliable anywhere I went, and Mail is only used for the passmail obfuscation since I don't think I'll stay with proton and didn't switch my main mail to it.

I'd be curious to know if the userbase of proton products reflects that of general statistics of OS'es repartition.

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That Boss guy says it there, Linux customership is negligible.

Yeah, of course. I understand this. Developing for Linux is hard and probably not worth it financially.

It's also a chicken/egg problem, isn't it? If a Linux user is seeking a VPN software, why would they pick Proton over something with a better client? (eg: Mullvad). You can't get a good user base when your product is so inferior.

The Proton Drive problem is something I don't really understand. How hard would it be to develop a v1 product with rclone and then a v2 product that was actually nice?

[–] KrapKake@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I did that just this morning, when I saw the email for the survey the proton drive for Linux was my first thought.

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I would be happy to, i also want to remind them to provide a themed android app icon for their mail. VPN has it, mail doesn't, and it drives me crazy.

You might want to provide a link to the survey right here though, I rooted through the video description and comments but no survey in sight.

[–] reallyzen@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I got it in my proton mailbox

https://form.typeform.com/to/L0UNpRar

The mail says "Limited submissions. Respond now to ensure your voice is heard."

Go for it!

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Interesting, i didn't get one myself. Perhaps because I am a somewhat new customer?

[–] reallyzen@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Already did, and it works, thank you though :)

[–] skar3@feddit.it 2 points 6 months ago

The new Proton Mail Beta nave the themed icons

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 2 points 6 months ago

I ended up asking them to accept Monero.

[–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks 2 points 6 months ago

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[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I will do as you ask

If yous manage even once to not invade a single thread about Windows with your smug, self-congratulary comments

[–] reallyzen@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Reconcile these two axioms:

  1. Every Lemmy out there is using (arch) linux exclusively, both at home and at work

  2. Every post on c/linux is about ditching windows very soon and choosing the best linux distribution

That's a Nobel Prize in (creative) mathematics right here!

[–] li10@feddit.uk 1 points 6 months ago

Just completed the survey and asked for it.

I also asked for a search alternative, like what Kagi offers. Would be a great addition to their services imo, but I doubt they could pull it off given how slow their development usually is.

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I also want the functionality where when I finish reading one email and do something with it, it goes to the next email in my inbox and not straight back to my inbox. That should be a togglable action like in Gmail.

[–] apples_and_pears@mastodon.world 1 points 6 months ago

@reallyzen I did. I've been added to the list. One day we'll learn which list.