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You heard #Adobe. Deep down you knew this was coming. Now all your art are belong to them. Time to move on to better things... (cdn.masto.host)

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You heard #Adobe. Deep down you knew this was coming. Now all your art are belong to them. Time to move on to better things...

Kreative Suite
* Krita is your new design/painting app
* Kdenlive will give you video-editing powers
* glaxnimate adds 2D vector animations to you videos
* digiKam organises your collection images

https://kde.org/for/creators/
Also:
* Inkscape - create sophisticated vector-graphic designs
* Scribus - layout like a pro
* GIMP - need we say more
* Blender - ditto

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[–] Tramort@programming.dev 113 points 5 months ago

If you are a creative freelancer and have any confidentiality agreement with your clients, then it is now impossible to use Adobe without violating those agreements.

And there is massive liability if you mess it up.

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 74 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Im glad open source creative software is so good now, i havent cared about adobe in ages

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Right, I'm not a creative professional but the occasions I need tools adobe provides there are plenty of open source alternatives I use instead.

Sadly most people won't care about what adobe is doing, but I can only hope they continue to shoot themselves in the foot. I yearn for the day when they aren't the dominant player in the space, maybe in 15 years.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Sadly most people won’t care about what adobe is doing

I hope they are made to care via the court system, because it is now legally impossible to use Adobe for most proprietary purposes.

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)

God damn Adobe... we know you are bad but not THAT bad.

[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What happened?

[–] simple@lemm.ee 55 points 5 months ago (3 children)

They updated their TOS to say they can access and review anything you create on their products: https://80.lv/articles/people-aren-t-happy-with-adobe-s-spyware-like-terms-of-service-update/

[–] Bro666@lemmy.kde.social 50 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

access and review

and censor and re-use and use to train their AI... Basically they own your art.

Edit: That said, most predictable scummy move of Adobe's long history of scummy moves.

[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 20 points 5 months ago

And the product director is openly lying about it:

We are not accessing or reading Substance users’s projects in any way, shape or form nor are we planning to or have any means to do it in the first place.

It's either that, or their lawyers decided to put that in without asking him? There needs to be some serious legislation for when companies try to pull this off

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

In other words, Adobe is now fundamentally unsuitable for commercial use.

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Locked a bunch of the production industry/creatives/graphic artists/etc. completely out of creative cloud and all of its apps until they signed a new TOS. They gave no heads up about it and basically it lets them use all your media however they want, super invasive stuff.

Two months ago I convinced my company to switch over to Da Vinci resolve and I am never going back. It is objectively the better tool in every regard for video editing. The only thing I will miss from Adobe is their audio enhance tool, but we will survive lol

[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Good job. I already switched to Affinity for photo editing & design because they don't have a subscription model, though they've been bought by a company that plans to introduce the subscription model.

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 months ago

Black magic design has proven themselves a pretty capable, reasonable, mostly consumer friendly company for a good decade now. I feel safe for now. But always gotta be on the lookout!

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[+] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 5 months ago (6 children)

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[–] checkmite@mastodon.social 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@ArmokGoB @kde Those statements sound reassuring but they don't mean much. Adobe can say anything it wants on a blog about what it is and isn't doing right now, but the TOS changes still explicitly protect their right to do those things if they want to, so they are free to just change their mind at any time, reassurances aside.

If Adobe really wants to reassure customers, they need to write those limitations on themselves and their activities into the TOS.

[–] spikespaz@programming.dev 6 points 5 months ago

I guess we can watch for network activity when we save and export images.

[–] Bro666@lemmy.kde.social 12 points 5 months ago

This is PR bullshit. They have not changed their license one iota from what it was 2 days ago and, ultimately, the license is what goes. They have not corrected course. All they have done is asked users to trust them in a blog post. The problem with that is that blog posts are not legally binding and, in a field full of nasty, predatory and untrustworthy firms, Adobe is one of the nastiest, most predatory and least trustworthy . You do with that what you will.

[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Depends. They have yet to update any legally binding (or official) documents like EULAs.

I'll believe it what I see, as it were.

"Trust us bro" from Adobe is worth zero.

[–] Twitches@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

How dare you present us with facts!

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[–] crocodisle@woof.tech 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

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I support people trying new things! I hate Adobe!

However, all of the tools here, save for Blender and maybe Kdenlive, are lacking somewhat in either features or UX. Inkscape is not comparable to Illustrator in my recent experience, and even Krita, while decent, has some weird decisions that don't make much sense from a workflow perspective.

I commonly hear criticism met with either "Add the feature yourself, it's open source" (I am a visual artist with experience using digital art tools, not a C++ programmer) or "It's not supposed to replace <comparable software>" (then your software might as well not bother competing if it's not going to work much better than the other options). I have a necessity to switch, but I can't use these tools yet if they don't behave how I need them to, often how swaths of other competing software behaves. I'm willing to curb my expectations, I don't expect things to be *perfect*, but the amount of configuration I need to do to get similar workflows like comparable software is rough. I think once that gets addressed, more people will be interested in switching.

I'm so convinced it isn't even a feature issue, more of a look and feel with sane defaults sort of issue.

[–] Bro666@lemmy.kde.social 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Don't take this the wrong way. While I appreciate the tact with which you have expressed your criticisms, but you may find that your objections all boil down to "I am used to a certain set of tools and now I have to change. The new tools do things differently and I am confused and it is messing with my productivity", that is, the problem is not entirely with the new software, but with you, your workflow and your muscle memory.

[–] crocodisle@woof.tech 5 points 5 months ago (5 children)

@Bro666 i appreciate your reply! I'll link you to my response to a different post here outlining a bit more of my experience. tl;dr, I've used multiple programs in personal and academic settings. Some FOSS options are great and comparable! Some miss the mark, even if they get close. It's not for lack of trying, it's that out of the multiple programs I've learned over the years, the FOSS options tend to be the odd ones out.

https://woof.tech/@crocodisle/112579981685976482

Even blender is guity of this with its default control scheme being the odd one out among Maya, Unity, and Substance, but it can be modified enough to make up for this and has other attractive aspects to make it a worthy contender. Digital tools tend to be used in an ecosystem that they are integrated with. Learning new workflows if fine, but there's value in being able to do what's already being done well in a similar way without much fuss.

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[–] kde@floss.social 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

@kde@lemmy.kde.social

We would like to remind you that both @Krita and @kdenlive are currently running fundraisers:

#Krita :

https://krita.org/en/donations/

#Kdenlive :

https://kdenlive.org/en/fund/

#videoediting #painting #fundraiser #FreeSoftware

[–] werefreeatlast@mastodon.social 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social you can also use #FreeCAD to draw up your house or anything else parametrically, and then export as STL and use #blender to make a movie of it/with it.

[–] Bro666@lemmy.kde.social 6 points 5 months ago (11 children)

FreeCAD has become soooo good!

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

I was using Krita for almost everything anyway already. The only thing I still need Photoshop for is in the very rare times I need to add curved text to an image. And for that I have a Jack Sparrow edition of Photoshop that runs in a virtual machine that isn't allowed to connect to the internet.

[–] JakeNL@feddit.nl 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

https://www.darktable.org/ A Lightroom alternative?

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[–] wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

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Just a matter of time before Microsoft do something similar with #recall

[–] Hunterrules0_o@techhub.social 7 points 5 months ago

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social kdenlive is based and changed me. thank you kde for making it so based.

[–] Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I hate adobe and have been actively trying to switch away from them for a while. I work in game development, though, and for some reason no one has made it as easy to directly modify the alpha channel of a texture. It's something I have to do a lot and is probably the one thing keeping me from using krita or affinity photo.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

If youre making art for them to control they should be paying you for it

[–] NafiTheBear@bears.town 5 points 5 months ago

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social happy to see glaxnimate officially promoted by KDE.

[–] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A link to what happened would be useful

[–] Bro666@lemmy.kde.social 5 points 5 months ago

https://lemmy.kde.social/comment/3894129

[–] shellheim@social.linux.pizza 4 points 5 months ago

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social This post reads funnier with the implication that it's a threat from KDE.

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