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The initial rate in 1866 for messages sent along the transatlantic cable was ten dollars a word, with a ten word minimum, meaning that a skilled workman of the day would have to set aside ten weeks' salary in order to send a single message. As a practical matter, this limited cable use to governments (transmissions from the British and American governments had priority under the terms of their agreements with Field's telegraph companies) and big businesses (who made up about 90 percent of telegraph traffic in the early years).

Businesses quickly turned to the use of commercial codes through which one word could convey an entire message. For example, the word "festival" as telegraphed by one fireworks manufacturer meant "a case of three mammoth torpedoes." And for truly urgent information, price was considered no object: New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley spent $5,000 (over $65,000 in 2003 dollars) in 1870 to transmit one report about the Franco-Prussian War. During three months in 1867, the transatlantic cable sent 2,772 commercial messages, for a revenue that averaged $2,500 a day. But this represented just five percent of capacity, so the rate for sending a telegram was halved to $46.80 for ten words, a move which boosted daily revenue to $2,800.

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[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 87 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hah, if this happened nowadays you'd have to sign up for a $1000/month subscription for 100 words a month on a 5-year contract, pay a $35/word overage fee, and if you didn't use all 100 words in a particular month, you could pay $5/word to roll over up to 10 of them to the next month. And if you try to cancel your subscription after those 5 years, they put you on hold for 3 hours and then accidentally hang up on you.

[–] cre0@kbin.social 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also you have to cancel via transatlantic wire

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, and you can't use your contracted word quota for that, and you have to send all of your personal information along with a prescribed seven-paragraph legal statement expressing your wish to cancel

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but you didn't count for inflation...

It would probably be more like $1,000,000 a month in today's dollars.

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mate sounds like you need a better provider.

I haven’t seen that shit since mobile Internet in 2010.

[–] 200ok@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Inflation calculators only go back to 1913 and 1914, but $100 back then would work out to somewhere between $2,500-$3,500 now.

[–] ophy 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They say a picture is worth a thousand words, but a word is worth a thousand dollars!

[–] solstice@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

"A picture is worth a thousand words but the right word is worth a thousand pictures"

Not sure if that's what you're referencing but you reminded me of that line.

[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Paying $7000 just to write "send nudes". Gosh darn.

[–] Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don’t forget the 10 word minimum

[–] Chaser@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

Send nudes send nudes send nudes send nudes send nudes

[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dear Lady or Sir,

Please kindly send nudes.

Best regards.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Dear sir or madam,

FIRE! FIRE! HELP ME!

Looking forward to hearing from you, all the best,

Moss

[–] Moc@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Small change compared to what telecommunications carriers make these days

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ehhhh I mean on an information:revenue ratio? Nooooo

[–] Moc@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Per unit costs are down, but revenue and most likely profits are up

[–] dmmeyournudes@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Sure, but the users cost is what really matters, and that's down by many magnitudes. It's fractions of a penny for me to send millions of words a second across the planet.

[–] Savvy95@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Here are some messages sent

https://atlantic-cable.com/Article/1858Messages/index.htm

Also the first message was from Q Victoria to President Buchanan for laying the Transatlantic line.

[–] overzeetop@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m going to need this translated into a cost per MB

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Average English word length is 4.7 characters, add spaces/punctuation and figure 6 total, so 1 MB = 174763 words = $1,746,730. Or around $23 million in 2023 dollars.

[–] overzeetop@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

That's pretty similar to Verizon's out-of-network roaming rate, iirc.

[–] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

What i wanna know is why they didn't charge by character rather than word?

You can squish words into a single clump and still have the individual words easily discernable. So what stopped people from simply removing all the blank spaces from a sentence and calling it a single word?

If there was a maximum character count for what is considered a single word then you could still clump a few real words together into a single squished-together fake word, which would still save thousands of dollars.

Or did the words have to be actual words found in the dictionary? If that was the case then were people not able to use words that weren't in the dictionary, like a company's invented codename for a project they were working on?

[–] kakes@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

I mean, it's not like this was an automated process or anything. I'm sure people just used common sense.

[–] ebits21@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Probably wasn’t private. You likely needed a company telegraph operator to send the message.

[–] collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Morse code has has a standard word length which happens to be represented by “PARIS”

[–] overzeetop@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TIL. Which is actually pretty bad considering I'm actually certified general amateur operator. They'll let anyone with a little EE and law knowledge into the club these days.

[–] collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good link. For the lazy:

The neat thing about "PARIS " is that it's a nice even 50 units long. It translates to ".--. .- .-. .. .../" so there are:

10 dits: 10 units; 4 dahs: 12 units; 9 intra-character spaces: 9 units; 4 inter-character spaces: 12 units; 1 word space: 7 units. A grand total of 50 units.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

And I thought it was bad when they used to charge per SMS text.