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I don't live in the US, so my ISP doesn't really seem to care what I torrent, but the megathread vehemently recommends to always use one. Since VPNs aren't cheap and I'm on a strict budget (wouldn't pirate otherwise), is it really that dangerous to torrent without one?

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[–] Thalyssa@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

YMMV but I never got into trouble for torrenting.

Bell Aliant in NS, Canada.

[–] Hillock@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

You are fine without a VPN until you aren't anymore. Torrenting was fine in basically every country until it wasn't anymore. And then some people got burned without a warning.
So you can roll the dice, it might take years until people start caring in your country and you are fine until then. Or they might start caring in a few months. If you aren't, there is a chance you will have time to react to the news when other people first get hit in your country or you will be one of the first. If you are already using a VPN you can rest assured that you won't be one of the first.

[–] Jarmer@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Look into a seedbox. They can be had for very cheap in some places and then you're not torrenting anything at all to your local network, you're just transferring everything over an encrypted ftp connection. I use whatbox and absolutely love it. I'm sure there are cheaper options though.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It really depends on how likely you are going to be caught and what the consequences are. Your ISP may not care but copyright holders generally band together and have legal set ups in most countries both trying to take down servers and end users, lobby for legal changes including trying to criminalise copy right infingement.

Generally a trustworthy VPN is a very good idea not just for torrenting but for maintaining privacy and security when you are doing other things such as banking, or even just browsing. A VPN is about protecting all your data and internet traffic, not just protecting you when torrenting.

In terms of Torrenting, a Proxy may be enough and a lot of the best VPN providers do provide Proxy servers (that anonymise the detail of your Torrenting use but the rest of your computer use would be on the open internet) in addition to full VPN connections that secure your whole PC for P2P and non-P2P uses.

If a VPN seems too expensive, then there are companies that also only provide Proxy connecftions. BTGuard.com is an example; the Proxy only option is 30% cheaper than the full VPN option.

EDIT: Note though, a VPN is about anonymity. You need to trust your VPN provider as you're passing your data through them, and it is not a substitue for secure practices on the internet. You still need to be secure on the internet including only downloadling from trustworthy locations, using antivirus and malware protection, not installing software from insecure places, using HTTPS and securing your internet browser, turning on tracking protection & ad blocking, and even considering using virtualisation to protect yourself even more.

[–] great_meh@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Not necessary but really really really really recommended.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

For a private tracker no, for public trackers it depends on your country. Some countries the worst you might get is an email or letter in the mail, other countries you will be sued. I even use a VPN for private trackers, let alone public trackers.

I would recommend using a VPN.

[–] KingPyrox@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (13 children)

If using qBittorrent there is an anonymous option. Not sure if works well but I haven't received an ISP email in a long time since I set it

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Anonymous mode is NOT enough. It is just meant to enhance protections by anonymising your traffic as much a possible. But your data still leaks and is enough for people to persue you. For example, if you live in a flat share and you and your flatmate torrent, by turning on Anonymous mode your client's unique "finger print" is not shared, so it would be difficult to determine which of you did the downloading if you both use it. But you're still leaking information on what you're downloading so it can still be traced to your flat.

You need to use either a Proxy service or a full VPN service. And if you're sharing with other people then encourage them to do the same, or secure your internet connection at the source (you can set up VPNs to work on your router so ALL internet traffic is secured)

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[–] Jezebelley@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Definitely should have one. Highly recommend Proton VPN personally. I love their software suite.

[–] bob@lemmy.havocperil.uk -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You all seem to be starting from the basis that downloading a torrent is illegal. It is not, it is only distribution/upload that's an issue. If you behave as a leech and kill it after you're done the worst you're going to get is a complaining letter from your ISP.

I torrent without a VPN and haven't had a single email from my ISP, but I presume it's because I'm a business customer.

[–] Sertou@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You should hedge this advise. It may not be illegal where you are, but it certainly is here in the U.SA. if you’re downloading “unsanctioned copyrighted material.”

[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago

Never had a letter from my ISP and I’ve been torrenting for 20 years.

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