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I was looking at code.golf the other day and I wondered which languages were the least verbose, so I did a little data gathering.

I looked at 48 different languages that had completed 79 different code challenges on code.golf. I then gathered the results for each language and challenge. If a "golfer" had more than 1 submission to a challenge, I grabbed the most recent one. I then dropped the top 5% and bottom 5% to hopefully mitigate most outliers. Then came up with an average for each language, for each challenge. I then averaged the results across each language and that is what you see here.

For another perspective, I ranked each challenge then got the average ranking across all challenges. Below is the results of that.

Disclaimer: This is in no way scientific. It's just for fun. If you know of a better way to sort these results please let me know.

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[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

What, SQL is down the bottom?

[–] ivg@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

im confused, c and c have header files that are super verbose, not sure how its so high up that list

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Header files are optional, they duplicate function declarations to share between multiple files, but otherwise you could write c/c++/c# without headers... the compiler might just run out of memory.

[–] mrsgreenpotato@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Super interesting to see that. Didn't expect Python to have such a lead, but it is understandable.

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[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Any idea how Scala would rank? I have a hard time thinking it'd end up far away from Ruby.

[–] mtchristo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

NO WAY php is more verbose than Java.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is not, though. Not according to the graph.

[–] mtchristo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Weird this is not the graph I remember having seen first time, The one I saw had python at the very top, have I commented on the wrong post ?

[–] Joph@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

There are two images. One of them has Python as #1, the other doesn't.

[–] pixelpop3@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not familiar with code.golf but I wonder how whitespace is handled? I find python is very concise anyway, but I wonder how the white space is counted (single tab, four spaces for black, etc).

[–] xrtxn@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] brianorca@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It's probably not used much for code golf, except for when it can be leveraged for specific tasks in which it excels.

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[–] ClumZy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who tf uses OCaml. It was created by my alma mater, we hated studying that shit, it was invented for crazy people.

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[–] Mio@feddit.nu 0 points 1 year ago

I hate Python 3 requires parantes for print. Python 2 accepted print 'hi'. Vs print('hi')

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