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[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

For incels there really is no other community for them. Hell, even if you are liberal there are not many mens spaces for you.

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[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Humanity has this default setting where tribalism = TRUE, and social media gives you a place where you can form new tribes around anything and everything all of the time. As a matter of fact, it tends to encourage modern day tribalism. Why do you think antivaxxers and flat earth are a thing. In ancient times that sort of behavior was confined to the house of the local village idiot.

[–] aredditimmigrant@feddit.nl 2 points 3 months ago

It's the same as it's always been. We gravitate towards what we feel.

The internet has just allowed certain groups who wmight be ashamed to announce their true feelings to say the quiet part out loud anonymously. This gets the next generation to not see a problem with it and go from there.

As an example. Take an impressionable young boy (14-18), he has trouble getting dates, doesn't have a great home life. Little bit of a loner. Before the internet, hed have to figure out a purpose. Maybe he'd start going to a gym or hitting the books harder to be smarter or something.... With the Internet he's able to find "friends", he finds a community, that community may lead him down dark paths.... Where some in better living situations may say "this is too much" and walk away, he doesn't have anything to walk to... So he gets more and more indoctrinated into the cause.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Incel = involuntary celibate

You become one by not being able to find a life partner or even a one night stand. Not something I'd really blame the individual for.

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

While I think incel's maybe everywhere is there not some online hookups or at least prostitues that can pacify them?

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Possibly yes but that doesn't help if one is morbidly afraid of approaching women for example.

However my point was that it's a bit pointless to ask why would someone become something when by definition it's involuntary. It's like asking why would anyone be under 6ft tall.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's a slippery slope. First it's either a community they can share anything with, or it is a subject dear to them that they see people give solution to. Then, slowly, one idea at a time, they get litteraly corrupted. Ideas are imprinted through repetition, values are suggested. Then, or before, you imprint the idea that the others are lying. This is key because it seed doubt in everything, but as he is closer from this group, this group get to imprint its own ideas through repetition alone. Distance is built with relatives so that the group is the only group he has. Then if he starts to disagree, he will be kicked, sometimes also punished, and he'll be left alone, or at least he must be convinced of it. Once there radicalisation is a process that's hard to stop.

Doubt, distrust, and a group to be with are the key ingredients. Liberalism is a fertile ground for this because it promotes individualism when humans are social creatures. So it's very easy to find people in need of a social group that gives belonging. And racism makes the easiest pretense : you belong because of your blood, or because you're born here.

For sexism, it's mostly a reactionary backlash, and secondly this liberalism problem of promoting individualism to humans who seek belonging. Feminism did won, and the old way of treating women is being addressed. But it is a process, and while we know what's bad, we don't have much new examples to follow. Yet most people have been trained in the old way, so now they are at lost. It's not the first reason why they're alone, liberalism has this place, but it is far easier to blame it on women and feminism than to try to build a new society. And also, it again gives them belonging with men like them that understands them and give explanations and solutions to their problems. Not good ones, but that's not the point.

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[–] PolyLlamaRous@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

There is a lot of good books (or audio books) I could suggest. This has been also a interest in mine. The reasons are different and also the same. Many of the top comments touch on some of the points.

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