Good weird = you get called weird, and you’re like, “duh, we’re all weird”
Bad weird = you get called weird, and you respond defensively and have to prove how normal you are to everyone
this post was submitted on 07 Sep 2024
36 points (65.8% liked)
No Stupid Questions
35961 readers
980 users here now
No such thing. Ask away!
!nostupidquestions is a community dedicated to being helpful and answering each others' questions on various topics.
The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:
Rules (interactive)
Rule 1- All posts must be legitimate questions. All post titles must include a question.
All posts must be legitimate questions, and all post titles must include a question. Questions that are joke or trolling questions, memes, song lyrics as title, etc. are not allowed here. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.
Rule 2- Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.
Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.
Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.
Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.
Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.
That's it.
Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.
Questions which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.
Rule 6- Regarding META posts and joke questions.
Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-question posts using the [META] tag on your post title.
On fridays, you are allowed to post meme and troll questions, on the condition that it's in text format only, and conforms with our other rules. These posts MUST include the [NSQ Friday] tag in their title.
If you post a serious question on friday and are looking only for legitimate answers, then please include the [Serious] tag on your post. Irrelevant replies will then be removed by moderators.
Rule 7- You can't intentionally annoy, mock, or harass other members.
If you intentionally annoy, mock, harass, or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.
Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.
Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.
Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.
Let everyone have their own content.
Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.
Credits
Our breathtaking icon was bestowed upon us by @Cevilia!
The greatest banner of all time: by @TheOneWithTheHair!
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Tim Walz said that Republicans had become weird and they all got really offended and started doing race science about it, so it works.
That's a super normal reaction though, really proving Walz wrong.
Doing race science is not normal
"pejorative" is probably a better word. calling it a "slur" is a bit strong.
but Tim Walz started it when he called JD Vance "weird." It just sorta stuck because, well, he's right.
Tim Walz just said it in a speech. He called the behavior of maga and maga cultists weird. And it stuck.
It probably stuck because it's an apt description that they don't like. They have no shame, so trying to actually shame them does not work.. which is also weird. The unapologetical and blatant lying is weird.. the whole world watches these people and most think.. what the fuck...
Before WOKE, they used weird as a term to describe LGBT*, emo and anything else they saw as against their values.
They just looked at other people not like them and said, they're weird right, and they would all agree.
Well now we're calling them weird and backing it up by calling out specific actions they know are wrong. Now they're saying no, no we're not weird at the same time internally going are we weird? They're questioning their values just a little. It won't stick long term or make changes. But they don't have introspection very often.
"Are we the b.. weirdos?".mpg
They either have to slip into that or "one of us.mp4"
Could have just been autocorrect, but just to avoid confusion, it's Walz.
Tx. Corrected the autocorrect indeed..
It's only bad if you're offended by it. Embrace the weird = all good. Spend all your time trying to convince people that you're not weird = super weird.
As I read somewhere recently, there is good weird and bad weird. You know which is which by how the target reacts. Almost all my friends are weird. Good weird. Except for Steve.
-
Republicans are morons
-
Republicans are anti-intellectual
-
Using sophisticated language to critique republicans shows them you're not one of them, and they can write you off as a member of the out-group in their minds
-
The word weird doesn't trigger the anti-intellectual alarms, so their defenses don't shoot up, and they're left scrambling for a retort, feeling awkward as they are now a member of their own out-group
I don't care about the details. I just want an out-group to hate on.
I've seen people say there's good weird and bad weird, and if you don't mind calling yourself weird it's probably the good kind.
As for calling maga people weird I think it's effective because their whole deal is about vibes. "We're strong, we're smart" and it really bothers them to be perceived otherwise. It's also not something you can "debate". Either people accept it or they don't. What are you going to say "no, I'm not weird"? Sure thing buddy.
And if a self-proclaimed "alpha male" elicits a reaction of fear or anger that confirms their self-image. But being called weird, or laughed at like the clowns they are, undermines their whole act.
"What a weird thing to say."
I don't think it's a slur. That's what makes it funnier. It is a slur TO HIM and his cucks.
Ok so this feels a lot like borrowed/manufactured concern or outrage. Thats why you’re getting downvoted, and I admit it looks like that to me too.
But if your question does happen to be genuine: it’s because it’s one of the most hilariously simple rhetorical shots that anyone has made at the GOP and Trump + Vance. The fact that they’re so bent out of shape and CLEARLY upset by being called “weird” is weird by itself, in the most negative connotation of the word. Not to mention, most people who consider themselves “weird” - including myself - would respond to being weird with something between “hell yeah dude fist bump” and “hell yeah dude. Go fuck yourself”, depending on the context and delivery of the original comment. The fact that they’re SUPER upset about being called weird is the primary fact that’s being made fun of here, as well as the fact that, well, the things they are fixating on, and a ton of their campaign positions, are objectively outright weird. It’s leaning on linguistic subtleties and flexibility to take a shot at fascists and live rent-free in their heads, and to most people, it’s absolutely fucking hilarious that it seems to be working.
it looks like that to me too
Genuine question. I do want to engage in discussing political matters—well, some days, when I’m up for it—but I’m hesitant because I expect to be viewed with some paranoia. I will do my best not to even look at votes. If I snark on headlines for some time, which I would enjoy, maybe enough people will figure out I’m not something bad.
As an additional point; "weird" isn't a slur. A slur is an expression where the very words themselves are considered obscene - a slur is offensive, even when it is used to describe someone or something according to its strict definition.
There is no context where describing someone as a "removed" or a "retard" isn't offensive. "Weird" isn't like that, as you've pointed out - it's being used as a simple insult, and it's persistent because it seems to really annoy the people it is directed at
Edit: to further my point, one of my examples is so objectionable that it was automatically filtered from my post
exactly! lol "if you trying to compare two words and you wont even SAY one of em... THATS the worse word!"
The problem is, they are weirdos. You can’t make up stuff like the video of JD Vance in the donut shop. It’s hilarious.
JD is Nathan for You, but without awareness or knowing.
Don't worry about it too much. I don't think this current trend will completely overtake the word "weird", but even if it does, you'll still be good-weird, Republicans will still be bad-weird, and people will know the difference, no matter what we call those things.
The weird window has shifted. Having purple hair and a nose ring used to be "very weird". Now nobody blinks an an eye at that stuff.
But being attracted to your own daughter (and admitting it publicly) and fucking a couch (and admitting it publicly) are still considered very weird.
Get them on the real stuff, there's plenty of it. The couch thing is known to be made up and is just misinformation now (well, always was).
He certainly seems like someone who might fuck a couch because he's fucking weird, so keep the jokes about it coming, but the book excerpt was fake
I dont think it is helpful to see it as a slur. This is more like "use my words against me" and it works, really well. The right wing folks this is messing with identify as being normal, predictable, sensible, strong, etc. Not weird. So when one of them goes to a donut shop and has their internal record get stuck on "OK, good" it looks abnormal, unpredictable, nonsensical, and perhaps even weak. AKA weird, and we can make them uncomfortable with that.
It was said as a common sense criticism of the Republicans by VP candidate Tim Walz. It serves as a criticism without giving them any intellectual credibility, which is important against fascism. Fascists love when you try to debate them or allow them in the conversation, and calling them weird shuts it down.
Is there another choice to describe trump? I mean, other than convicted insurrectionist rapist grifter fool?
Yeah, he's well beyond weird. Weird is better to describe the idiots who vote for him.
I have a feeling that the political use of it will die out after the election, for what that's worth. And I don't think it will seriously impact the "Keep ______ Weird" trend, because they are celebrating weirdness (whereas the Republicans are trying to claim they're not).
When a base of people can talk in circles for hours about why they don't believe in proven facts, they have a hard time defending the fact their cult leaders isn't simply weird as fuck.
It's a way to infantilize and ridicule the red team candidates that's really hard for them to dismiss. They want to be perceived as strong, noble, divinely-appointed saviors of the morality of the country. Using 'weird' as an attack takes the wind out of their sails. And the only effective way to counter it is to embrace and transcend it, something the red team is incapable of doing.
From an article in WP
A central pillar of Trump’s campaign is the idea that liberals are perverted misfits who want to tear down American values. ... [Trump supporters] were strong; libs were weak. They were right; libs were wrong....
“Weird” intrudes on that narrative. It doesn’t entirely upend it, but it does plant a seed of doubt. What if, instead of being admired or feared, they are instead being laughed at? What if, instead of edgelords, they are actually just the kids in the corner eating glue off their hands?
also
“He’s just a strange, weird dude,” newly-named vice presidential nominee Tim Walz (D) told an assembled group of 60,000 “White Dudes for Harris” at an online fundraiser last week. The Minnesota governor has been, if not the inventor of this tactic, its most skilled proponent.
I’ve always wished Democratic candidates would be contemptuous when needed. Gutsy. Maybe I’m all wrong, but if for instance Clinton had strongly stood behind having said deplorable.
There's good weird and not-good weird.
You say recently but it's always kind of been a pejorative. It's softened in the last few decades but it was always an insult.
I feel the same way. In the end, this is the english language where the words are made up and none of the definitions matter.
I think there's a different between being weird and being a weirdo. Weird people can be fun, but you have to watch out for weirdos.
Are you couch fucker weird?
Wasn't in response to people bullying Walz's son for proudly pointing at his dad, crying, saying "I love you, Dad," or something similar, during one of his father's speeches?
The "weird" trend began before Walz was chosen as VP.