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Green Party candidate Jill Stein is gaining ground among Muslim-American voters in three critical swing states: Michigan, Arizona, and Wisconsin, according to a recent poll by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

Stein leads Vice President and Democrat candidate Kamala Harris in these states, with 40 per cent support in Michigan, 35 per cent in Arizona, and 44 per cent in Wisconsin. This surge in popularity appears tied to Stein’s vocal criticism of US support for Israel during the ongoing genocide in Gaza.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 35 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Liberals downvoting this would rather plug their ears and cover their eyes instead of confronting their issues and calling on Kamala to sanction Israel.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

every thread from now until December

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago

Don't worry everyone, just one more damage control vote and things will all be fixed. The democrats pinky swears. /$

[–] aalvare2@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago (8 children)

Kamala isn’t president yet. You can call on her to sanction Israel as president, without also pushing another candidate.

Jill Stein’s only practical role in this election is as a presidential spoiler benefitting Trump, and if Trump wins then Palestine is really truly f’d anyway.

It also doesn’t help that a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for the disbandment of NATO and the disruption of Ukraine aid. Those are extreme positions that have nothing to do with Israel-Palestine, and many of those interested in voting for her are likely not even aware of those stances.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

She's the VICE president! We can already judge her actions and make pretty accurate judgements on how she will act as president based on what she is currently doing. Which is aiding genocide.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 weeks ago (12 children)

Kamala isn’t president yet. You can call on her to sanction Israel as president, without also pushing another candidate.

She has promised to always keep sending Israel bombs. She can promise to sanction Israel if she wants to regain votes she is shedding by promising to continue genocide.

Jill Stein’s only practical role in this election is as a presidential spoiler benefitting Trump, and if Trump wins then Palestine is really truly f’d anyway.

Jill Stein's platform is a lot better than the Democrats, votes for her pull the DNC to the left. If Trump wins, he will indeed continue the genocide started under the Democrats, but so would Kamala.

It also doesn’t help that a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for the disbandment of NATO and the disruption of Ukraine aid. Those are extreme positions that have nothing to do with Israel-Palestine, and many of those interested in voting for her are likely not even aware of those stances.

Then tell people what she stands for. For what it's worth, disbanding NATO is the single greatest thing any American President could do for the Global South, taking a firm stand against Imperialism.

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[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 weeks ago

It also doesn’t help that a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for the disbandment of NATO and the disruption of Ukraine aid.

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[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 26 points 4 weeks ago

that's what happens when you tell voters to fuck off when they suggest ways in which you can win their vote. hope it was worth it!

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 weeks ago (15 children)

I worry that, if Harris loses because Muslim voters don't vote for her, liberals will side with Trump when he does another Muslim ban.

Or something worse this time.

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[–] philo@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

2016 again. Idiots never learn.

[–] BlucifersVeinyAnus@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Awesome.

Let’s give fascism a chance.

Yay

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 26 points 4 weeks ago (24 children)

Are you vote-shaming Muslim-Americans refusing to vote for someone committing genocide on Palestinians?

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[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You're blaming people for being strongly anti-genocide. That's basically absurd at face value. If you wanna argue against being a single issue voter, that's a conversation to have. However, "I oppose genocide." is kinda the single best single issue to rely on, if someone is inclined to be one.

All the while, Harris knows the risks. Don't blame voters for Harris's conscious choice. If you alienate your base, you deserve to lose your base. Deal with it... I think she still has the votes, but that is the risk for every candidate, and it always will be.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (5 children)

We're in such a wonderful position: Kamala does nothing about Israel like she's paid to do and Palestinians die.

Trump wins and not only does nothing about Palestine, but encourages Bibi to go harder, more Palestinians die annnnd we get to enjoy the beginning of a fascist dictatorship!

Notice how Stein isn't even mentioned in the above? You can claim it's about putting pressure on Kamala all you like, but this is the literal election. When she loses because of this "pressure" (that isn't pressure, it's literally not voting for her at all) what's the outcome? It sure as hell has nothing to do with Stein being anywhere.

We've been having this argument about the green party for fucking decades and what progress/policies have they "forced" the Democrats to adopt?

I think aside from the obvious genocide, what really fucking pisses me off about Democrats and this topic is that "we" can sooooo easily say "handguns for self defense ok! Shotguns for self defense ok! Rifles for self defense ok (depends on magazine size and rate of fire) bombs? No! Tanks? God no!" But when it comes to Isreal they suddenly completely lose the capacity for nuance... Bombs = self defense? Are you fucking joking?

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[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 8 points 4 weeks ago

She isn't the only anti-zionist candidate, but she is a good option

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Perfectly balanced

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