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[–] erogenouswarzone@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Ok, it's true college isn't what it used to be.

A college degree used to be rare, meaning you could get any degree and do any job.

Obviously, it's not like that anymore. Everyone has a degree. You need to get a degree that means something.

If you have rich parents that will support you, great, you can fuck around and graduate after 8 years with an English degree, and you'll be alright.

If your parents aren't rich and can't support you indefinitely, you need a degree in something that is hiring or will be hiring when you graduate. Preferably, with a large paycheck, so paying back the loans is reasonable.

Or, ya know, just don't go to college. Learn to weld or install sattelite dishes, or even better, be a general contractor. You can make a goddamn fortune as a general contractor.

Or, do what Mark Twain did, and mary into wealth. Love is fake anyway!

But, ya know, being 18 and impressionable to romantic ideas, it's tempting to think you don't have to follow this guidance and get an art degree and you'll be fine. Don't fall into that. Be smart.

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

being 18 and impressionable to romantic ideas, it’s tempting to think you don’t have to follow this guidance and get an art degree and you’ll be fine

The bigger trap IMO is going into a field you aren't passionate about. I have a computer science degree, my program had many students who didn't really like it but were there for the money. While I'm sure some succeeded a lot of people who were just there for the money failed out, or performed so mediocre that they could only get less desirable jobs, which don't pay as well and are also shit working conditions (which since these folks don't like the career means they tend to burn out super quick).

There is a compromise to be had, you need to find something that you at least mostly find enjoyable, but has a viable career to go into, their are plenty of arts careers out there that pay alright, and if you specialize into them early instead of pursuing eye in the sky careers then you'll find yourself ahead of the pack. Of course you must also look outside school to see what these careers value (paid coops are a great opportunity if your school has them) I have a few friends with social work degrees who are doing pretty good for instance.

That said, Tuition is somewhat subsidized where I am (my tuition was 15K USD a year and one of the more expensive schools and programs, an arts degree would be more like 10K USD) so YMMV compared with the USA where I hear tuition can commonly be well over 100K a year.

[–] Neve8028@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The bigger trap IMO is going into a field you aren't passionate about.

I went to an art school for a degree in audio engineering and I encountered seniors in their final year who had no idea what the fuck they were doing because they didn't seek out any opportunities outside of classes. I interned at a recording studio for about two years while I was in school and that prepared me better than any class I took. This is an industry where you need to be passionate about what you're doing because work is rare in the beginning and the pay is pretty shit. There were several kids in my advanced practicums who didn't even know how to properly wrap cables or mount microphones onto stands. I couldn't help but think to myself "why the fuck are you even here". You really have to go out of your way and fight for every opportunity you can get in this industry. I'm fortunate to be able to make a living in it but somehow some of the people I graduated with came out with less knowledge than what I learned in my freshman year.

It just baffles me that people get degrees in these highly competitive industries without any sort of drive to actually make a career. Interesting to hear that this happens in STEM fields as well.

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[–] LaChaleurDeLaNuit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's the thing, some people aren't smart enough to study. Or better said: some people never received the right guidance to know what they're good at.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Who was Mary?

[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In my mind there are 2 reasons why someone should go to higher education:

  • You want a career that requires a specific degree, and the pay will be worth the extra years of investment and essentially a delayed start in life.

  • You are genuinely curious about the subject and want to learn it for the sake of learning it.

Great if you get both in the same subject but otherwise pick your price point.

No point in going to Harvard for something you have no way or intention to monetize later down the line.

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm the second one. I've been studying physics for three years and it's hard and I have no idea what kind of job this will lead me to. However nothing else is as facinating to me as physics so I would definitely do it again.

[–] LaChaleurDeLaNuit@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think many people miss the point of studying. A massive amount of companies/decently positions require you to have a degree, PREFERABLY in a related area but not necessarily. They basically want to make sure you can read, follow instructions etc.

Of course if you want to work at the CERN you might want to know a thing or too about physics but other than that there is a decent amount of good paying jobs not related to your area that a mind like yours would have no problem in performing.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They basically want to make sure you can read, follow instructions etc.

And people don't learn both of those things in high school or much earlier? Damn, the despicable GOP mission to dismantle the education system must be going much better than I thought 😮‍💨

[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Unironically? No, not at the level of university. In highschool you are basically being babysat while they teach you. You'll be quizzed periodically and steered and told when you're falling behind.

In college/uni that's just you having to have or get your shit together and self-manage all that.

It makes a world of difference.

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Well of course I'm not worried I won't find a job at all but I'd prefer to find a job within my field of study. Working at CERN or ESA would be the dream but I'm definitely not counting on it.

[–] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't understand people who go study for a profession that's hard work and low wage, and then complain that it's hard work and low wage.

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

A lot of people, myself included, grow up thinking that a person's job is the most important aspect of their life, and often hear the phrase "Do what you love and you'll never work a day if your life." So, they find a job they would like - something that fits with their identity - because that's how the world had been explained to them.

I spent 8 years working toward my "dream job," and realized I hated it within 6 months of getting my first position in the field. Then I quit, and spent 6 months wallowing on my own self pity for having lost the cornerstone of my identity.

Once I got back on my feet, I got a boring white collar job in a field I wasn't interested in, rebuilt my identity with things I was actually interested in, and realized that working is just a thing I have to do to survive, not some life calling that's supposed to define who I am as a person.

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

@RemindMe@programming.dev 5 years

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[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the real mistake is going to school for the job you want (with exceptions like being a doctor).

I went to literal clown school, I'm considered top of my game in the corporate world and have been head hunted for my last 3 jobs.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Chad moment

[–] TheCee@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Requested: A clown version of the Critters-posting-on-4chan meme, with a horn on the desk and a red nose put around the screen.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I do keep a nez rouge at my desk on my "weeaboo" shelf, alongside a Bottlecap (currency), Xûr's Strange Coin, The One Ring to Rule Them All, and an eyeball made by one of the people who helped on Stranger Thing's Vecna design.

And, of course, a fake sword 👍

[–] TheCee@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

That for sure looks fancy. Well, if I could draw to save my life, I'd definitely include it.

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[–] Crabhands@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Going to University means you have a chance at a good paying job. Depending on the job, likely a better chance then someone who didnt go. I make decent money and did not go, however I am incredibly lucky and am not betting on that for any children i have. Trades or University/College is a must.

That being said, how about the Government reduces the cost of post-secondary education, instead of allowing banks to earn off billions of school loans each year. Here, they do reduce it for citizens, however not nearly enough. Additionally, many graduates end up moving to other countries because the pay is lower here.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not from the US, I think I've heard that banks are obligated to give those loans with some characteristics?

It's going to cost much less if getting a student loan becomes much harder, because universities still need people paying.

If anybody can get a loan, the cost becomes inflated.

Just a thought.

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Depends on what you go for.

[–] ShranTheWaterPoloFan@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The big difference is the type of job you can get.

If you want to work retail you can make decent money, but you are standing all day, dealing with entitled people and work hours that make it difficult to have a life. If you want a 9-5 better get a degree.

[–] wheresmypillow@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always wonder what people got their degree in that set the expectation of a high paying job.

Also some people go to school for 16 years to be donkey smart.

[–] BioDriver@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Engineering and CS, IME

[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Your wrong little Billy. It can help in getting you a we'll paying job, it it depends on both your degree and perception.

[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Did you use your time at university to network and make lasting connections with people who will likely be more successful than you? Because that practically guarantees a job. If you kept your head down and did nothing of note except get a diploma, you wasted your time.

[–] Nfntordr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I barely scrapped through high school and now 20 odd years later I'm in an office job on a 6 figure salary. One of the lucky ones I guess?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good thing your job doesn't require you to be able to spell

[–] dessimbelackis@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

No you misunderstand, he attended the school of hard knocks

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

That's so Raven!

[–] nightdice@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's pretty much a question of culture and the field.

In Germany, it's pretty much impossible to get into some jobs without a degree. In others, you get a higher salary for having a degree, to the point where some companies will not take you for a position because your degree makes you too expensive. In the public sector, your highest degree determines your salary scale (and most importantly where it caps out).

Not saying the system is good like that, but it is currently that way, so at the very least here, degree often corresponds to higher salary.

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What did you spend your money on?

A degree focusing on intensive career training in a field that is highly demanded, and networking,...

or a "life experience" and a degree in underwater basket weaving?

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean I get why people like being edgy about this, but the statistics don't lie. A bachelor's degree on average increases weekly pay by about 50% over an associate degree or trade/apprenticeship. You can absolutely make a good living without a degree, but they are definitely worth the cost for most people.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah editing my comment,y my "success" part just meant following a profitable major

Yeah, fuck that. I didn't go because I had no interest in sitting in yet more classrooms listening to people drone on and smelling other people's farts for 4 more years

[–] Gnubyte@lemdit.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Look if going to college didn't cost four years of time with 20K per year, where in my career you'd be near to outdated (tech), I'd go.

But for tech I feel like its almost a scam. I'd rather have the certs and/or practical knowledge or be able to go through an interview via algorithms, soft skills, explaining how to go through what I know. Its harder work to learn this way but I think it keeps your skills sharper.

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

My experience is that the college foundation I got over 20 years ago is still incredibly useful as a developer, architect, and manager.

That said, the thing you need to learn the most is how to constantly keep up with the changes in technology, and my college at least did an ok job at that.

Did a shit job helping me get my first job, though.

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