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I don't remember what caused the Voat's origin, except it involved Reddit HQ. And then it went under in 2020.

What's different about this time and with Lemmy to make it a feasible alternative to Reddit? Is it random chance?

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[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most definitely!

I was one of the first users on voat and one of the first banned users on voat. It had horrible admins who were way out of their depth and a posting system that could be exploited. If your account reaches a certain amount of downvotes, it is automatically locked, meaning that bands of users travel from profile-to-profile, destroying any other profiles they dislike.

also, the lack of diversity killed Voat, having nothing but Neo-Nazi and extremist content. This is still a problem that Lemmy faces, where instead of dealing with disagreeable speech, it's easier to defederate whole instances.

[–] Auk@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Moves towards Voat were primarily sparked by the banning of various conspiracy and negatively oriented subreddits (e.g. fatpeoplehate). This association meant people assumed the Voat community was all made up of people from such communities, which in turn meant the site only really appealed to a small subset of the Reddit userbase.

This time around Reddit has annoyed a broader section of the userbase and the move is not associated strongly with any particular group or ideology so I think alternative sites now have a better chance of building a community that will attract others in the long term.

[–] capnminus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

The people who left reddit for voat where those whose subreddits were banned, such as farpeoplehate and shit. Niche communities.

With lemmy the migration is from a much wider number of communities.

[–] LostCause@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I think due to the decentralised and open source nature, it‘s much better and even if some instances die the project persists. I‘m in IT and it looks like a solid project which has me excited and thinking about how I could contribute. My feelings coming here were also hope for better and a freedom from corporations.

Voat was just another corporation out to make money off hate I guess.

[–] degrix@hqueue.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the federated nature of Lemmy/kbin will be what keeps it going. It’s not an all or nothing approach but rather many pieces coming together to make something truly interesting. I’m sure there will be plenty of growing pains and drama, but the Lemmy-verse is a community built by the community.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

This is just the start of Reddit's board going for the big money. It's at odds with a volunteer modded site and volunteer created content. Mods aren't going to be happy to do unpaid work just so the CEO can get rich. This API stuff is just the first exposure of this conflict. As more mods wonder why they are doing this for free just so what's his name gets rich, more will abandon Reddit and come to Lemmy.

[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I still don't know what kbin is.

Honestly though Lemmy needs a rename. The musical artist is significantly more popular and it screws up searches.

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[–] gerowen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Well for one Lemmy is open source and federated. It's not one site, so even if the developers get tired of fooling with it, the servers don't depend on them and other people could take over development without express permission from the original developers.

Lemmy's FOSS and federated nature are its biggest advantages.

[–] TerabyteRex@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

voat is a cetralized system. lemmy is not a system. its an app yhat has many onstances that use activitypub. not only dp i not use lemmy, you are currently not usong it since you posted to kbin. another application with many instances that uses activitypub. i do think the fediverse will succeed.

  1. because voat was a bastion of hate

  2. so many people have joined in already

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