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[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 60 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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😏 😁

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[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 8 points 1 month ago

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The dash emoji. Always looks like a fart.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 50 points 1 month ago (3 children)

With no context, this could be an honest attempt to learn about different tools, a thinly veiled set-up to promote a specific language, or an attempt to stir up drama. I can't tell which.

It's curious how such specific conditions are embedded into the question with no explanation of why, yet "memory safe" is included among them without specifying what kind of memory safety.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (18 children)

Yeah, arguably the only answer to this question is Rust.

Java/C#/etc. are not fully compiled (you do have a compilation step, but then also an interpretation step). And while Java/C#/etc. are memory-safe in a single-threaded context, they're not in a multi-threaded context.

[–] starman@programming.dev 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
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[–] Dhs92@programming.dev 49 points 1 month ago
[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Rust for now, by a wide margin. But I'm following other languages that I think have the potential to surpass it, including Vale (promises way more than it delivers currently), Koka, Hylo, maybe Lobster.

[–] tooLikeTheNope@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)
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[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That is a very specific subset

[–] sus@programming.dev 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Garbage collection is still allowed, and technically JIT languages are still compiled so it really isn't that restrictive

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[–] paperplane@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Not that specific tbh, most newer native languages these days are compiled and memory safe (Rust, Swift, Go, Kotlin Native, etc)

[–] bonus_crab@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (4 children)

C# is good too. If you havent heard of lobster you should look into it.

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[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

As others have said, Haskell and Rust are pretty great. A language that hasn’t been mentioned that I REALLY want to catch on, though, is Unison.

Honorable mention to my main driver lately: Purescript

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[–] lambdabeta@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Ada, hands down. Every time I go to learn Rust I'm disappointed by the lack of safety. I get that it's miles ahead of C++, but that's not much. I get that it strikes a much better balance than Ada (it's not too hard to get it to compile) but it still leaves a lot to be desired in terms of safe interfacing. Plus it's memory model is more complicated than it needs to be (though Ada's secondary stack takes some getting used to).

I wonder if any other Ada devs have experience with rust and can make a better comparison?

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[–] apoisel@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Sad I had to scroll to the end to see this.

Ocaml is brilliant and has the nicest type features. It's almost like Haskell but more approachable imo.

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[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago

Hands down, Rust πŸ¦€

[–] AsudoxDev@programming.dev 15 points 1 month ago
[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 14 points 1 month ago
[–] hessnake@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

I started learning Go about 3 months ago and it quickly became one of my favorite languages. It feels like C with a bunch of Python niceties thrown in. And performance isn't super critical in my work so being garbage collected is fine with me.

[–] skulbuny@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

People don't understand that JIT languages are still compiled, JIT literally describes when it's compiled.

That said, F# and/or OCaml.

[–] KindaABigDyl@programming.dev 12 points 1 month ago

Rust and Haskell (I think Haskell counts)

[–] UFODivebomb@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago

Scala 3 native. If the compiler was faster I'd be even happier. Curious to try Ada

[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 month ago
[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago

Nim. Small compiler, small executables, easy to understand (except the macros, I still can't get my head around them).

FreePascal. Yeah yeah, Pascal's dead, etc etc, but it being so verbose and strict certainly help programmers (or at least me) keeping things somewhat tidy.

Also shoutout to V

[–] cafuneandchill@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

After months of no practice, I forget quite a lot of stuff about them, regardless of language; therefore, none

EDIT: None of them is memory safe, that is

[–] undefined@links.hackliberty.org 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Crystal, but only because I’m a full time Ruby on Rails (and sometimes Hanami!) programmer.

It’s fantastic, and I had an excuse to use it at work when we needed to gather PHP Watchdog logs from a MySQL database and format, output them to STDOUT in a Kubernetes environment. (This was necessary for our log monitoring tools expecting data in a standard way, AKA not connecting to a database. πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ)

I know there are perhaps better options out there (Go, Rust, etc.) but from a Rubyist’s point of view Crystal gives you that β€œflow” from working in a beautiful language but with the performance boost of compiled software.

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[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Python with MyPy.

(Almost any language can meet those criteria, with enough shenanigans.)

[–] arthur@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But that's not compiled, not to binary at least.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 8 points 1 month ago

But that's not compiled, not to binary at least.

Well...sort of.

(Everything is weirder than it seems at first glance.)

[–] frankenswine@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

You mean... except Ada?

[–] bradboimler@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago
[–] cinnamon_tea@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You forgot that beauty - "undefined behavior"!

Memory-safety can guarantee only so much safety! C++ can still blow up in your face, even with all the alleged memory-safety built into C++, thanks to all the UB traps in C and C++.

Rust is the closest language that has no such "gotchas".

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 month ago

Kotlin is nice

[–] yogsototh@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

purescript if you count β€œcompile to js” as compiled.

Otherwise Haskell

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