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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Anecdote isn't worthless, it just takes a lot of it to become credible.

Like, think of an anecdote like a single study - doesn't carry much weight, but may indicate that further investigation is called for. A shit ton of anecdotes all making a similar claim - now we've got peer review that may actually add up to something significant. It also may not, but the more it builds momentum without being debunked, the more likely it is to be actually getting at something real.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

On the other hand, when someone claims something is impossible/something has never happened before/something happens every single time, but you have just 1 anecdote from a credible source that contradicts that claim, then that 1 anecdote is enough to know that they are wrong.

Example: some pundit states: our government has never executed an innocent man. You just need proof that they have executed a single innocent man to show that the pundit has no credibility on the subject and that it's thus not an impossibility that other executed men were also innocent.

[–] Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't a "lot of anecdotal evidence" eventually become a sample set?

[–] CompassRed@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 days ago

Not unless someone methodologically captures all the accounts through interviews and surveys and turns it into one.

[–] CompassRed@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 days ago

I agree that anecdotes aren't worthless, but for different reasons. There's actually a saying that goes, "the plural of anecdote isn't data." Anecdotes are just stories. They aren't data points and they aren't peer reviewed. If you want to turn anecdotes into data, you have to do the proper interviews and surveys to actually build a dataset and then get the peer review, but at that point we aren't talking about anecdotes anymore.

[–] nl4real@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Real life*

People on the internet will actually go out of their way to prove you wrong with factual evidence

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

I'd say it goes both ways. Some people are presenting anecdotal evidence and conjecture as fact, arguing against actual facts.

[–] Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 6 days ago

Family Dinners

[–] Juice@midwest.social -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What's epistemology? What is object/subject dualism? What is Gödel's incompleteness theorem? Idk, I just know other people are stupid

Some of y'all have a piss poor education in humanities and it shows

[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Is the incompleteness theorem humanities? I thought it was comsci?

Edit: Oh God I'm dumb it's not comsci idk why I said that lol, but it is still mathematics.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 0 points 6 days ago

Yeah I thought that too, but it has strong epistemic/ontological implications. Kind of a mix imo

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 128 points 1 week ago (6 children)

A lot of people who think they're saying "[actual fact]" are really just stating "[subjective opinion]" and call any criticism of their opinions "[incoherent rage]"

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

[incoherent rage]

[–] levzzz@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

[[Hyperlink blocked]]

[–] DeVaolleysAdVocate@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

so a way to incorporate sources into the posts and judge them accordingly?

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Not everything that is worth discussing has a source. Abstract ideas and hypothetical scenarios (among other things) have their places in rhetoric and communication.

[–] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 74 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Actual fact: The democrats don’t control the weather and create hurricanes to destroy Florida.

You can control the weather to some degree and governments do, do it. Its just the word 'control' implies significant amount of control when in reality it is very minor.

Often these conspiracies are rooted in actual facts, just that facts get distorted insanely. Even if one person in the chain made a mistake, everyone else after them will also make the same mistake.

(Just an article on could seeding if anyone is interested )

[–] kofe@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Actual fact: abortion is a life saving medical procedure

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Subjective anecdote: hurricanes are a life saving medical procedure.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

How can you say them being suggestive if they haven't suggested anything. Bro cant even talk.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, bro talks. You just don't listen to him.

Also, he suggested watching Megamind again, which I accepted.

[–] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago

I think that we should all listen to him about this

[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Isn't that it's reproductive organ?

[–] Adm_Drummer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is funny because I read it as "Democrats don't control the weather and [they] create hurricanes to destroy Florida."

Media literacy strikes again. You could state what you stated and yet someone will still believe they create hurricanes without the ability to control weather.

[–] rain_worl@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] rain_worl@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

why downvotes??? is this some [Incoherent Rage]????

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[–] phorq@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

[Coment attempting to have an intelligent and witty take on the conflict dispite two typos from either lazyness or stupidity]

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago

[permanent ban]

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