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[–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

A fact is not enough - your audience will form an opinion based on it. That prevents objectivity.

You need to select your facts (pro and contra a point of view). And in the process you express your opinion which is based on the mentioned facts. It's very hard to be objective and quite easy to do framing.

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[–] Vincent@feddit.nl 7 points 1 week ago

Personally I'm all about objective opinions.

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Your daily lemmy experience. Better make sure the only facts you quote are "oild rigs are weather machines", "twitter is now worth 25% of what musk paid for it".

Don't you dare quoting facts like "Trump has only half of the popular vote". You'll be chased and, maybe, banned.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

“Trump has only half of the popular vote”

What's divisive about that? Honest question, I'm genuinely oblivious.

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[–] multifariace@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I wish this was only on Lemmy. I live this life. I am surrounded by this daily! I am scared in my own country.

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[+] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee -11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

How do you know it's objective fact and not just your subjective opinion? Can any opinion about the world you perceive through your senses be objective, if your senses are themselves subjective?

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sounds like an argument to make yourself feel superior to all groups without adding anything concrete to the conversation to me.

You seem to confuse subjectivity of perception with the objectivity of external facts. While our senses interpret the world, objective facts remain true independent of individual perception. For example, gravity exists whether or not one perceives or "believes" in it.

[+] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee -9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You only know that gravity exists through your subjective perception.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Incorrect. Gravity is a measurable force. If you never did any experiments to derive the falling speed of an object due to Earth's gravitational pull, then I feel sorry for your poor education, but you're more than welcome to rigorously prove that our planet's gravitational constant is 9.8m/s^2.

Unless your argument is that objectivity cannot exist because everything you experience is through a subjective lens, at which point I'd remind you that solipsism is kinda the dead-end of philosophical discussion.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What is your point?

[+] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee -9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So it might not exist. Subjective perception can lie, eg

[–] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's the problem of knowledge all over again. Something which philosophers have been debating for centuries. But I highly doubt you have studied any of it.

That whole thing of "facts are just opinions" is nothing more than the devaluing of empirical evidence and turning observable facts into a matter of opinion, turning any and all political discussion into a shouting match where nothing ever comes of it because "it's just my opinion". This propaganda tactic is called "The Fire hose of Falsehood".

I could go on and on about the nature of knowledge and the evolution of science, but I highly doubt you would care as you do not seem to know even the most basic things about The Problem of Knowledge and choose to go the self-contradictory skeptic route of "Knowledge doesn't exist".

Edit: I would just like to add that just because our sense are 100% reliable that doesn't mean that everything is false.

[+] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee -9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can know for sure that a thinking being I call 'me' exists. I act in my empirical life based off of my empirical knowledge, but I don't think that it's necessarily true, just a useful way to govern behaviour in a world I have just as much grounds for believing is true.

It is technically just an opinion that the empirical world exists, but when making decisions about the empirical world it makes most sense to me to treat the working knowledge the scientific method has given us as true, even though it technically isn't.

[–] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Philosophy is fine and all but we can't forget that from a practical standpoint, all this philosophizing is useless. We can't live our day to day lives operating under the belief that the material world doesn't exist and using The Problem Of Knowledge as a way to dismiss empirical evidence by stating that we can't be sure if the material world even exist is impractical and useless. Remember: Philosophy is completely useless. The only value you will find in it is the development of critical thinking skills.

Just imagine if a murdered caught red handed could get away scoot free by just saying "Hey, you can prove the material world exist, therefore you can prove the victim ever existed!"

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee -5 points 1 week ago

You clearly ignored the several times I said in my comment about how while I know it's not necessarily true, I act in the empirical world based off of the working knowledge that it is.

Also, philosophy is not useless.

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