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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)
[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

This sadly has caused my login problems to reappear on bsky. No idea what they are doing with their service, but I'm having regular issues with the site. Also seems 'downforeveryoneorjustme' enshittified. (the image is showing a part of the site which is now an advertisement for some AI bullshit chatbot/imagegenerator everything aislop roleplay thing). (seems to be fixed now, but wow did bsky have weird issues for me).

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago

looks like the name server is getting hammered

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 13 points 6 days ago (4 children)
[–] maol@awful.systems 11 points 5 days ago

This is a license for stalkers & abusers ! No surprise from someone like Elon I suppose

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I’m really really not happy about this. There is one person I’ve been trying to keep out for the last few years and now they can come crawl all my fucking posts?? And report my account!?

Edit: apparently being protected should offer me some protection still.

[–] mii@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I really wonder what the meeting looked like where they decided on that change, because I’m struggling coming up with a single argument for it that doesn’t boil down to giving abusive asshats more playtime.

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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

saw this via a friend earlier, forgot to link. xcancel

socmed administrator for a conf rolls with liarsynth to "expand" a cropped image, and the autoplag machine shits out a more sex-coded image of the speaker

the mindset of "just make some shit to pass muster" obviously shines through in a lot of promptfans and promptfondlers, and while that's fucked up I don't want to get too stuck on that now. one of the things I've been mulling over for a while is pondering what a world (and digital landscape) with a richer capability for enthusiastic consent could look like. and by that I mean, not just more granular (a la apple photo/phonebook acl) than this current y/n bullshit where a platform makes a landgrab for a pile of shit, but something else entirely. "yeah, on my gamer profile you can make shitposts, but on academic stuff please keep it formal" expressed and traceable

even if just as a thought experiment (because of course there's lots of funky practical problems, combined with the "humans just don't really exist that way" effort-tax overhead that this may require), it might inform about some avenues of how to to go about some useful avenues on how to go about handling this extremely overt bullshit, and informing/shaping impending norms

(e: apologies for semi stream of thought, it's late and i'm tired)

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I don't know what's worse, that or some of the weird twitter responses it's getting

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago

why not both

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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 12 points 6 days ago

25085 N + Oct 15 GitHub ( 19K) Your free GitHub Copilot access has expired

tinyviolin.bmp

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

it just clicked for me but idk if it makes sense: openai nonprofit status could be used later (inevitably in court) to make research clause of fair use work. they had it when training their models and that might have been a factor why they retained it, on top of trying to attract actual skilled people and not just hypemen and money

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

There's no way this works, right? It's like a 5y.o.'s idea of a gotcha.

This would be like starting a tax-exempt charity to gather up a large amount in donations and then switching to a for-profit before spending it on any charitable work and running away with the money.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 days ago

i'm not a lawyer and i've typed it up after 4h of sleep, trying to make sense of what tf were they thinking. they're not bagging up money, they're stealing all data they can, so it's less direct and it'd depend on how that data (unstructured, public) will be valued at. then, what a coincidence, their proprietary thing made something useful commercially, or so were they thinking. sbf went to court with less

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 6 days ago

There’s no way this works, right?

the US legal system has this remarkable "little" failure mode where it is easily repurposed to be not an engine of justice, but instead of engine of enforcing whatever story you can convince someone of

(the extremely weird interaction(s) of "everything allowed except what is denied", case precedent, and the abovementioned interaction mode, result in some really fucking bad outcomes)

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

lol fandom could have been even worse

hackernews: post by languagehacker: Former Wikia engineer, here. I left right around when they changed their name to Fandom and kind of saw the writing on the wall. Despite the tremendous amount of information they have at their disposal, they never really saw themselves (or positioned themselves) as more than a low market cap media company. I spent a lot of time in the mid-teens trying to encourage them to be early on AI/NLP kind of stuff and use that to drive new product development. Needless to say, it didn't work out. Imagine the data moat they could have built and monetized, and all without needing to degrade the customer experience.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 22 points 1 week ago (8 children)
[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

iirc they had tools to import data from other wikis into theirs, but not tools to export.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

they have the MediaWiki database dumps, which are XML so you can do anything with them!! *

* the actual page text is a single field

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 21 points 1 week ago (14 children)
[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Jesus GNU Christ, Live your life so that no one ever produces a systematic classification of your opinions that looks like this

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago

Ted_Danson_choosing_between_clam_chowder_fountain_and_bees_with_teeth.webm

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't think anything in the report is new, is it? Isn't this the exact weirdness that got him kicked off the board in the first place? I was shocked when he was quietly added back to the board; I really thought the allegations would stick the first time.

Nice to have it all in one place though.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 12 points 6 days ago

There's a little bit of new stuff in there, but it's all just corroborating the old or relatively minor. Still, it's a lot in one place.

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[–] slopjockey@awful.systems 20 points 1 week ago (43 children)

Musk's twitter is unleashin/g/ the worst posters that the CS world has to offer

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[–] nightsky@awful.systems 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Today I was looking at buying some stickers to decorate a laptop and such, so I was browsing Redbubble. Looking here and there I found some nice designs and then stumbled upon a really impressive artist portfolio there. Thousands of designs, woah, I thought, it must have been so much work to put that together!

Then it dawned on me. For a while I had completely forgotten that we live in the age of AI slop... blissfull ignorance! But then I noticed the common elements in many of the designs... noticed how everything is surrounded by little dots or stars or other design trinkets. Such a typical AI slop thing, because somehow these "AI" generators can't leave any whitespace, they must fill every square millimeter with something. Of course I don't know for sure, and maybe I'm doing an actual artist injustice with my assumption, but this sure looked like Gen-AI stuff...

Anyway, I scrapped my order for now while I reconsider how to approach this. My brain still associates sites like redbubble or etsy with "art things made by actual humans", but I guess that certainty is outdated now.

This sucks so much. I don't want to pay for AI slop based on stolen human-created art - I want to pay the actual artists. But now I can never know... How can trust be restored?

[–] rook@awful.systems 10 points 6 days ago

I’ve taken to calling the constant background sprinkles and unnecessary fine detail in gen ai images “greebles” after the modelling and cgi term. Not sure if they have a better or more commonplace name.

It’s funny, meaningless bullshit diagrams on whiteboards backgrounds of photos were a sure sign on PR shots or lazy set dressing, and now they’re everywhere signifying pretty much the same thing.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Sadly I think the only way to trust you are not getting a lot of AI art is by starting to follow a lot of artists you like on social media. Just going to a site which sells things seems a bit risky atm.

e: for example 40k stickers

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